View Poll Results: Flawed but fixable or UK-style upheaval?

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Thread: So we can vote for a flawed but fixable system or vote for UK-style upheaval

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    Quote Originally Posted by metheron View Post
    I understand that, and know that where people are at in their lives can mean different perceptions. I have no issues with that.

    I don't disagree that a Trump presidency could have some serious negative consequences. Although I am not as convinced as some that its the end of the country as we know it. What I see as a possibility is that a Trump presidency brings the parties together to fight against Trump and could be an eye opener to the parties and the people to begin the process of the drastic change we need.

    So I don't see Trump as the man with the answers, I see him as a potential agent for change unwittingly.
    Also, I think a lot of what people call "being on the wrong track" is a figment of mass imagination. Nobody can point to very many specific REAL fundamental differences in how America is operating now versus 10 years ago. I mean we're finally managing a war in the middle east more the way it should be if there must be war. But as far as my day-to-day life, I'm not seeing any restrictions, in fact, we've made advances in civil rights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davocrat View Post
    Also, I think a lot of what people call "being on the wrong track" is a figment of mass imagination. Nobody can point to very many specific REAL fundamental differences in how America is operating now versus 10 years ago. I mean we're finally managing a war in the middle east more the way it should be if there must be war. But as far as my day-to-day life, I'm not seeing any restrictions, in fact, we've made advances in civil rights.
    Completely ineffectively?

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    Quote Originally Posted by metheron View Post
    I understand that, and know that where people are at in their lives can mean different perceptions. I have no issues with that.
    We have to think long and hard about what "upheaval" means, too. Are we willing to have a 2008-style crash that will set each of our savings back 10 years?

    Now, maybe there are some "improvements" that are worth this. If so, name them. Seriously. I'm listening.

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    I see nobody wants to vote for upheaval.

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    Interesting comment about the war. Hillary disagreed with how Obama approached the conflict in the Middle East and seems likely to "manage" the war differently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macduff View Post

    Yes. We remember the Bush administration.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Davocrat View Post
    I see nobody wants to vote for upheaval.

    I guess Davocrat has me on ignore.


    My vote is for upheaval, just not a UK-style upheaval.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davocrat View Post
    Yeah, that's reasonable advice, but you can do that with a classic Democratic administration in power. Your options narrow in no-condidence land. But I take your point about doing this NOW, not after the deluge.
    Remember the Jumbo Mortgage Phase under Bush? fixed rate 15 years, 2.3%,,,

    Everyone else was using their homes as ATMs; I had a 200% equity over the mortgage, and relative to the value (which I knew would take a hit in '08) 400%..

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    Quote Originally Posted by metheron View Post
    I understand that, and know that where people are at in their lives can mean different perceptions. I have no issues with that.

    I don't disagree that a Trump presidency could have some serious negative consequences. Although I am not as convinced as some that its the end of the country as we know it. What I see as a possibility is that a Trump presidency brings the parties together to fight against Trump and could be an eye opener to the parties and the people to begin the process of the drastic change we need.

    So I don't see Trump as the man with the answers, I see him as a potential agent for change unwittingly.

    Ralph Nader in 2000 broke me of the "let's elect an absolute idiot just to prove the point that the system is broken" mentality. The system is broken because dumbasses think that it would be a good idea to vote for an idiot as our President.

    Cause and effect, people -- cause and effect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Macduff View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MaryAnne View Post
    If I remember correctly that was the height of the Bush recession. 313Points! We lost half the DOW in the recession. That sure was not Obama. He did not become President until over two months later.
    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    Yes. We remember the Bush administration.
    Would the next person who responds to my post here please actually read it before responding. You don't even have to click on it. Just read the headline.

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