View Poll Results: Should we keep "The Star Spangled Banner" as national anthem

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  • It's awful. Replace it with something better.

    14 38.89%
  • Sure it's awful but all national anthems are awful.

    4 11.11%
  • I love it. Keep it FOREVER!!!

    15 41.67%
  • Meh...I never really pay attention to it.

    3 8.33%
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    Quote Originally Posted by DebateDrone View Post
    We don't even know or sing the whole anthem. No way anyone would stand for the 4 stanzas.



    Oh, say can you see, by the dawn's early light,
    What so proudly we hailed at the twilight's last gleaming?
    Whose broad stripes and bright stars, through the perilous fight,
    O'er the ramparts we watched, were so gallantly streaming?
    And the rockets' red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
    Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there.
    O say, does that star-spangled banner yet wave
    O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?

    On the shore, dimly seen through the mists of the deep,
    Where the foe's haughty host in dread silence reposes,
    What is that which the breeze, o'er the towering steep,
    As it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses?
    Now it catches the gleam of the morning's first beam,
    In full glory reflected now shines on the stream:
    'Tis the star-spangled banner! O long may it wave
    O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave.

    And where is that band who so vauntingly swore
    That the havoc of war and the battle's confusion
    A home and a country should leave us no more?
    Their blood has wiped out their foul footstep's pollution.
    No refuge could save the hireling and slave
    From the terror of flight, or the gloom of the grave:
    And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
    O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave.

    Oh! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
    Between their loved homes and the war's desolation!
    Blest with victory and peace, may the heaven-rescued land
    Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
    Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
    And this be our motto: "In God is our trust."
    And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
    O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!
    Deutschlandlied has similar issues, in the same way we sing 'from sea to shining sea' in America the Beautiful the Germans name two rivers that aren't in Germany anymore (I think they are the Maas and the Nieman), of course the anthem was modified yo avoid ruffling feathers. The non-PC verses exist, but our history comes with warts and War of 1812, Fort McHenry is genuinely important to the nation's history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by publius3 View Post
    Deutschlandlied has similar issues, in the same way we sing 'from sea to shining sea' in America the Beautiful the Germans name two rivers that aren't in Germany anymore (I think they are the Maas and the Nieman), of course the anthem was modified yo avoid ruffling feathers. The non-PC verses exist, but our history comes with warts and War of 1812, Fort McHenry is genuinely important to the nation's history.
    I would argue the that Civil war was a more defining moment in our nations history...if not the most defining moment, but I don't see a hymn on the virtues of keeping the Union whole as the reason for our national anthem. The current anthem is more a homage to the Flag than the nation.
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    Its ingrained in my psyche. And yes symbolic of war. You have an excellent point. But it's ours. But what a bitch to sing!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DebateDrone View Post
    I would argue the that Civil war was a more defining moment in our nations history...if not the most defining moment, but I don't see a hymn on the virtues of keeping the Union whole as the reason for our national anthem. The current anthem is more a homage to the Flag than the nation.
    That's actually a pretty good observation there, dd. I had never thought about it that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DebateDrone View Post
    I would argue the that Civil war was a more defining moment in our nations history...if not the most defining moment, but I don't see a hymn on the virtues of keeping the Union whole as the reason for our national anthem. The current anthem is more a homage to the Flag than the nation.
    Yes, the Civil War is more pivotal. The Civil War is the definition of divisive, so you can't really have a national anthem coming out of that extolling the Union. And truly what's more pivotal is what came AFTER, Reconstruction, because that's actually what wound up saving the Union. Reaching back to the shared history makes far more sense. North/South has basically healed but one thing being forgotten about the Civil War is that, post-war, Confederate general Johnson was a pall bearer at Sherman's funeral.

    The symbology of our nation makes alot more sense than many give it credit for.

    And as for a hymn.....no, but you do see the Pledge of Allegiance, 'one nation, under God, INDIVISABLE'

    The Under God was added of course, the 'indivisable' was definitely overtly intended to be pro-Union
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    "God Bless America" is better, but it's non-secular.

    "My Country Tis Of Thee" is good....but the music is the same as "God Save The King/Queen", so sort of looks like we're ripping off the British.


    "The Star Spangled Banner" has its issues.

    1. It's about a war we LOST. (Seriously, call it a "tie" if you like? But we gained virtually nothing and the enemy BURNED DOWN OUR CAPITAL!)

    2. Its music is based on a British DRINKING song.

    3. It's hard to sing, unless you start "in the basement" to hit that high note on "And the rocket's RED GLARE!"



    But I see no chance it's going to be changed to something else...ever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cpicturetaker12 View Post
    Its ingrained in my psyche. And yes symbolic of war. You have an excellent point. But it's ours. But what a bitch to sing!
    Not for me, I can hit those notes with room to spare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kontrary View Post
    I have to say, America the Beautiful would really be a much better national anthem....not just for the singing part, but even the content makes more sense for a national anthem...and its not nearly as obnoxious musically!
    Thank you! That is what I was thinking. I also love," This Land!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    Lousy. Too militaristic, and as you said - it's practically impossible to sing properly unless you have some genuine singing talent.

    My vote for a replacement goes to "America the Beautiful." Better imagery, shorter vocal range needed.
    No where near as powerful and captivating. The crescendo of this song is amazing. Replace it with something ANYONE can sing? Does everyone have to sing this song professionally?

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