View Poll Results: Could another Democrat have beaten Trump?

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  • Joe Biden

    6 50.00%
  • Bernie Sanders

    4 33.33%
  • Another Democrat (name?)

    1 8.33%
  • No, no other known Dem could have won

    1 8.33%
  • Don't Know

    2 16.67%
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    I guess it will depend on the final stats coming out. If it appears Clinton lost due to the blue collar vote then yes Biden would have been a great asset. If it looks like millennials didn't show up then Sanders would have helped. I also think had she picked a better prominent VP she would have done better. Imagine her with Al Franken in the upper Midwest? Or even Sanders?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amelia View Post
    C. Why not policy? Consistency and believability are part of a policy vote -- and though they had similar views, Biden would have been seen as more authentic and committed to populist policies.

    So, I'm not speaking for Rorschach, but for me the answer is A., B. and C.
    Where did Joe Biden and Hillary Clinton differ on policy? In fact, in your answer you admit it would be about "authenticity" with Biden....not policy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    I guess it will depend on the final stats coming out. If it appears Clinton lost due to the blue collar vote then yes Biden would have been a great asset. If it looks like millennials didn't show up then Sanders would have helped. I also think had she picked a better prominent VP she would have done better. Imagine her with Al Franken in the upper Midwest? Or even Sanders?
    I think the Dems will now look for a "young Bernie"....probably a Julian Castro....to run in 2020.

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    told you so Amelia's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by GordonGecko View Post
    Where did Joe Biden and Hillary Clinton differ on policy? In fact, in your answer you admit it would be about "authenticity" with Biden....not policy.


    Of course I admit it was about authenticity.

    The people who want to be elected need to be able to convince the people who are voting that they mean what they say.

    You dismiss "policy" as a potential answer for why Biden would have been preferable to Clinton, but it should not be dismissed. It just needs to be expanded to "believing the person was committed to their policy proposals". And Biden would have had more believability on policies related to empowering the working class. People can have identical policies on paper. And then the voters judge whether the person is convincing about being committed to those policies. With regard to believability of policies for the benefit of blue collar workers, Biden would have gotten the nod.

    But Hillary had already hoovered up the majority of the donors and superdelegates and party committee commitments. So Biden didn't have a good opening to get into the race.
    Last edited by Amelia; 10th November 2016 at 07:33 AM.

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    Hard to say, as paradoxical as this cycle has been, but I believe Biden could have (barring major gaffes on his part) and Bernie might have. A year ago, I'd never have said the latter. But we live in a different world than the one I thought we did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GordonGecko View Post
    I think the Dems will now look for a "young Bernie"....probably a Julian Castro....to run in 2020.
    Not sure. It will definitely have to be younger. I think something we have learned now twice in US elections is that the Electoral college has way more power than realized. One can win the popular vote by enormous margins and still lose. So with that in mind, democrats (republicans too) will have to re-evaluate that map. Someone like Castro could bring in a state like Texas and Arizona, but not in the Midwest, south or New England. So that is something to consider. Both sides are going to have people that can appeal to a broader and diverse area. Some think now in hindsight, that the dems took those Reagan democrats for granted and it has cost them. It will be interesting to see who democrats will choose. GOP is pretty set for at least 8 years I suspect. Even if Trump decides to retire early, Pence will then run. So it will be up to the dems to figure out someone who can cross that divide.
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    Anti-Establishment was the thing. Entertainer was the mold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GordonGecko View Post
    Where did Joe Biden and Hillary Clinton differ on policy? In fact, in your answer you admit it would be about "authenticity" with Biden....not policy.
    Biden appeals to the rust belt. He had no trouble bringing in people when he spoke in Michigan or PA. They love him. He has this way of looking them in the eye and seemingly understands them. He can talk about their job and then go off about sports or whatever. They like that. Hillary just never had that "I get you" quality. She did very well in suburbs with families but not with Joe Sixpack. Trump and Biden both have no trouble sitting down with a biker gang and talking. Bikers loved Trump for that reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kmiller1610 View Post
    Anti-Establishment was the thing. Entertainer was the mold.
    Somewhat but not totally. Some of it was a "I understand you" sort of thing. Don't bring Beyoncé here to sing, when they would rather have Bobby Knight. Trump utilized his family and sports legends when he had rallies. People loved it. Hillary brought in Hollywood A listers. Sure that appeals in some areas, but not in the rust belt. They would rather see a quarterback or coach with the local team.
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    Hillary should have tapped Obama as her Veep.

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