View Poll Results: Could another Democrat have beaten Trump?

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  • Joe Biden

    6 50.00%
  • Bernie Sanders

    4 33.33%
  • Another Democrat (name?)

    1 8.33%
  • No, no other known Dem could have won

    1 8.33%
  • Don't Know

    2 16.67%
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amelia View Post
    Hillary should have tapped Obama as her Veep.
    Un-Constitutional. He couldn't have served as Veep, since a Veep has to be able to serve as President. 22nd Amendment.
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    I don't think Sanders could have won. But I think Biden could have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GordonGecko View Post
    Un-Constitutional. He couldn't have served as Veep, since a Veep has to be able to serve as President. 22nd Amendment.

    22nd Amendment says he can't be elected to the office of President. I want to see something official saying it stops him from being elected to Vice President.

    Would he not be allowed to be elected to be Speaker of the House? That would put him in the line of succession to the presidency again.

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    probably. was there anyone not under active FBI criminal investigation? i'da gone with that one.

    i mean what happened with Jeb Bush was instructive. the electorate is in a very anti-establishment mood, and has been for years. it's really not a good time for candidates with dynastic surnames.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amelia View Post
    22nd Amendment says he can't be elected to the office of President. I want to see something official saying it stops him from being elected to Vice President.

    Would he not be allowed to be elected to be Speaker of the House? That would put him in the line of succession to the presidency again.
    The Twelfth Amendment states that "no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice President of the United States." Thus, to serve as vice president, an individual must: Be a natural-born U.S. citizen; Be at least 35 years old.

    Obama is constitutionally ineligible to the office of President, after January 20th.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amelia View Post
    22nd Amendment says he can't be elected to the office of President. I want to see something official saying it stops him from being elected to Vice President.

    Would he not be allowed to be elected to be Speaker of the House? That would put him in the line of succession to the presidency again.

    The legal argument (that Republicans would surely mount) would be that the act of ELECTING Obama as Vice-President would be a de facto election of him as President again, given if Hillary died, resigned, or was removed....his office as Veep would bump him up to President.

    IOW, he couldn't become Vice-President without being ELECTED Vice-President...but the Constitutional job of a Vice-President is to assume the Presidency if needed. Ergo the election as Veep by Obama would violate the 22nd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    The Twelfth Amendment states that "no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice President of the United States." Thus, to serve as vice president, an individual must: Be a natural-born U.S. citizen; Be at least 35 years old.

    Obama is constitutionally ineligible to the office of President, after January 20th.
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    Quote Originally Posted by highway234 View Post
    probably. was there anyone not under active FBI criminal investigation? i'da gone with that one.

    i mean what happened with Jeb Bush was instructive. the electorate is in a very anti-establishment mood, and has been for years. it's really not a good time for candidates with dynastic surnames.


    So was Ted Cruz "Establishment"...and that's why he lost to Trump?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    The Twelfth Amendment states that "no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice President of the United States." Thus, to serve as vice president, an individual must: Be a natural-born U.S. citizen; Be at least 35 years old.

    Obama is constitutionally ineligible to the office of President, after January 20th.

    I understand that argument has been made, but I don't find it conclusive.

    It's somewhat circular to say he is constitutionally ineligible to serve as president.

    He is ineligible to be elected as president. But again, I will wait for a more official ruling on whether he is ineligible to serve.

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    IF he were Speaker of the House or President Pro Tempore of the Senate or Secretary of State and the people above him in the line of succession died suddenly in office, would Obama not be eligible to step in as president?

    I am not aware of an official ruling on this. I think it may still be an open question.

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