View Poll Results: Could another Democrat have beaten Trump?

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  • Joe Biden

    6 50.00%
  • Bernie Sanders

    4 33.33%
  • Another Democrat (name?)

    1 8.33%
  • No, no other known Dem could have won

    1 8.33%
  • Don't Know

    2 16.67%
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amelia View Post
    I understand that argument has been made, but I don't find it conclusive.

    It's somewhat circular to say he is constitutionally ineligible to serve as president.

    He is ineligible to be elected as president. But again, I will wait for a more official ruling on whether he is ineligible to serve.
    If he is constitutionally ineligible to serve as President then he can't be Vice President. The requirement to be eligible to serve as President is not included for Speaker of the House, President Pro Tempore, or anyone down the line. Actually we have one Secretary right now who is constitutionally ineligible to serve. The succession just skips that person.

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    President John Q Adams became a Representative after serving as President. He served in the MA-12, MA-11, and MA-8 districts after being President. He's also the only President to be elected by the House of Representatives. He lost the popular vote, the electoral vote, and carried fewer states than Andrew Jackson.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GordonGecko View Post
    So was Ted Cruz "Establishment"...and that's why he lost to Trump?
    i imagine he lost for different reasons. cruz is an aggressively uncharismatic guy.

    interesting, though, he and ben carson were the other two "pied piper" candidates.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GordonGecko View Post
    Biden?....Bernie?.....some young up-and-comer?


    You're allowed multiple answers.
    Hypotheticals are always interesting, but in theory I'd suggest Clintom herself could've still won had she done things differently. For instance, I don't think Kaine necessarily helped her and she could've done at least a little better right there with somebody would have bolstered her in the Rust Belt.

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    The now known unknown in this election was what surprised me and all the pundits. The depth of hate for the establishment and the widespread nature of this hate. So I'm not sure.

    Perhaps just because in his own way he was so outside the beltway, Bernie might have been the best choice. But in his own way, I fear any relatively sudden implementation of his policies wouldn't have done as much harm as the application of Trumps declared moves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    If he is constitutionally ineligible to serve as President then he can't be Vice President. The requirement to be eligible to serve as President is not included for Speaker of the House, President Pro Tempore, or anyone down the line. Actually we have one Secretary right now who is constitutionally ineligible to serve. The succession just skips that person.

    I repeat and maintain that I have not seen firm evidence of him being constitutionally ineligible to serve as President.

    All I know is that he cannot be ELECTED president again.

    I don't not know that he cannot SERVE as president if he gets there by some route other than direct election to the office.


    As far as I know, we do not have an official ruling on this.




    But this is off topic, so I'll let it go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by publius3 View Post
    Hypotheticals are always interesting, but in theory I'd suggest Clintom herself could've still won had she done things differently. For instance, I don't think Kaine necessarily helped her and she could've done at least a little better right there with somebody would have bolstered her in the Rust Belt.

    She needed to bolster herself in the Rust Belt.

    I think I read that she didn't visit Wisconsin in the 7 weeks before the election.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amelia View Post
    I repeat and maintain that I have not seen firm evidence of him being constitutionally ineligible to serve as President.

    All I know is that he cannot be ELECTED president again.

    I don't not know that he cannot SERVE as president if he gets there by some route other than direct election to the office.


    As far as I know, we do not have an official ruling on this.




    But this is off topic, so I'll let it go.
    Bill also couldn't have been Hillary's VP because he claims to live with her. The President and Vice President can't be from the same state.


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    A friend who is usually pretty up on the constitution says the 12th amendment specifically states that anyone not eligible to be pres can't run for VP. I'm not interested enough to actually dig into it.

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    Wrong question.

    Could any other Republican have beaten Trump if the MSM hadn't given him 2 trillion dollars of free publicity?

    Could any other Republican have beaten Trump if the MSM has supported the March Romney Speech and followed up on his claims against Trump?

    The Democrats got the easy target they wanted, or so they thought.

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