View Poll Results: What will happen to the PPACA (Obamacare) not that Trump's been elected?

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  • Nothing: Trump won't be able to change it

    1 5.56%
  • Trump and the republicans will eliminate it

    5 27.78%
  • It will get changes made but remain

    10 55.56%
  • He'll shoot for Universal Health Care at the horror of the republicans

    2 11.11%
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    Quote Originally Posted by April15 View Post
    All those whiners about rates for insurance haven't sen shit yet. When rumpy ends it capitalism will take Americans to the cleaners and no one will get insurance worth a .
    That so?

    Why should a 50 yr old male have to pay for birth control?

    Excessive mandates jacked the price of insurance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kontrary View Post
    My guess is that he might try to get rid of it and make it an "open market", allowing insurance companies across state lines.....like thats some magic bullet. There will be some tax credit for it, and an endorsement of medical accounts and all the pay that goes to that account is not counted as your income at all and is not taxed.

    I think thats what he will go for.
    I think this, while still allowing for pre-existing conditions and allowing kids to stay on your plan.
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    Going after universal health care would be at the horror of both Republicans and Democrats, as it flies in the face of both their narratives yet it's something at least half the country would ardently support, if they were honest with themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by metheron View Post
    I think this, while still allowing for pre-existing conditions and allowing kids to stay on your plan.
    I agree that kids can stay on the plan til aged 25 or something, family plans are easy to make accommodate that and that is the age group that has the lowest risk, so again, thats an easy one for insurance companies.

    Pre-existing conditions, thats where I disagree, he wont do anything about that part. Insurance companies dont want that, especially if there is no mandate to maintain coverage at all times. OR if its required to cover pre-existing conditions, they will be able to charge such a prohibitive cost that its the same as not accepting them. They can say sure you have cancer, we accept you BUT the cost is 15 grand per month with a 5 grand deductible.

    From a business stand point, covering pre-existing conditions would be nuts.....either they will spread that cost to everyone OR they will have to turn away people with pre-existing conditions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kontrary View Post
    I agree that kids can stay on the plan til aged 25 or something, family plans are easy to make accommodate that and that is the age group that has the lowest risk, so again, thats an easy one for insurance companies.

    Pre-existing conditions, thats where I disagree, he wont do anything about that part. Insurance companies dont want that, especially if there is no mandate to maintain coverage at all times. OR if its required to cover pre-existing conditions, they will be able to charge such a prohibitive cost that its the same as not accepting them. They can say sure you have cancer, we accept you BUT the cost is 15 grand per month with a 5 grand deductible.

    From a business stand point, covering pre-existing conditions would be nuts.....either they will spread that cost to everyone OR they will have to turn away people with pre-existing conditions.
    I hope you are wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Going after universal health care would be at the horror of both Republicans and Democrats, as it flies in the face of both their narratives yet it's something at least half the country would ardently support, if they were honest with themselves.
    Yep, this was the problem with ACA as well...and the govt corrupt, completely. Single payer systems cost LESS, so everyone who worries about cost should be wanting to go that cheaper system.

    I agree that the public would back it, its the corrupt govt who stands in the way protecting profits for private industries.

    If the US were to go with a single pay/universal care tax funded system, it would make sense and be easier to now raise a min wage since employers would no longer be paying for coverage at all...even half the amount they have been paying out for insurance could now be actual cash pay (taxable and spendable on other goods and services). So the businesses dont see costs go up to pay better, they see their costs CUT even while paying employees MORE. Employees gain more pay in their checks and still have health care coverage so the employee loses nothing.

    People in the health insurance industry and pharma lose jobs and money, there is also a hit somewhere and thats where it would be. I think its an acceptable hit and I certainly dont think those employees should be placed over the welfare of the entire nation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by metheron View Post
    I hope you are wrong.
    There is no way around this, any company taking on a person with a costly illness or chronic condition will have to spread that cost to whatever other customers they have, that makes their premiums higher. So only companies with the LARGEST pools of customers can spread this cost enough to possibly offer reasonable rates...but then the entire idea of driving costs down with competition is dead and if the entire reform is based on "free market competition", pre existing conditions just killed that...so you are on a circle of fail.

    How can that be addressed? Do you have any ideas on that part? I cant think of any way..and I am trying!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kontrary View Post
    There is no way around this, any company taking on a person with a costly illness or chronic condition will have to spread that cost to whatever other customers they have, that makes their premiums higher. So only companies with the LARGEST pools of customers can spread this cost enough to possibly offer reasonable rates...but then the entire idea of driving costs down with competition is dead and if the entire reform is based on "free market competition", pre existing conditions just killed that...so you are on a circle of fail.

    How can that be addressed? Do you have any ideas on that part? I cant think of any way..and I am trying!
    Nothing other than a government subsidy of some sort, putting the actual pre-existing condition into a group plan of its own. So that one would have a plan covered for their general good health and a separate plan covering the pre-existing condition. Not sure if something like that could be arranged.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kontrary View Post
    Yep, this was the problem with ACA as well...and the govt corrupt, completely. Single payer systems cost LESS, so everyone who worries about cost should be wanting to go that cheaper system.

    I agree that the public would back it, its the corrupt govt who stands in the way protecting profits for private industries.

    If the US were to go with a single pay/universal care tax funded system, it would make sense and be easier to now raise a min wage since employers would no longer be paying for coverage at all...even half the amount they have been paying out for insurance could now be actual cash pay (taxable and spendable on other goods and services). So the businesses dont see costs go up to pay better, they see their costs CUT even while paying employees MORE. Employees gain more pay in their checks and still have health care coverage so the employee loses nothing.

    People in the health insurance industry and pharma lose jobs and money, there is also a hit somewhere and thats where it would be. I think its an acceptable hit and I certainly dont think those employees should be placed over the welfare of the entire nation.
    Hospitals would lose big time. My Insurance company sent letters that there had been big adjustments,those were over and they would be providing more benefits and they did starting next year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by metheron View Post
    Nothing other than a government subsidy of some sort, putting the actual pre-existing condition into a group plan of its own. So that one would have a plan covered for their general good health and a separate plan covering the pre-existing condition. Not sure if something like that could be arranged.
    My Insurance company has a Wellness plan that includes Silver Sneakers, free gym, and I even have received several gift cards for simple things,like taking my shots that cost me nothing.

    Staying healthy is good for costs, preventive medicine.
    Last edited by MaryAnne; 11th November 2016 at 12:15 AM.
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