View Poll Results: What will happen to the PPACA (Obamacare) not that Trump's been elected?

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  • Nothing: Trump won't be able to change it

    1 5.56%
  • Trump and the republicans will eliminate it

    5 27.78%
  • It will get changes made but remain

    10 55.56%
  • He'll shoot for Universal Health Care at the horror of the republicans

    2 11.11%
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kontrary View Post
    Yea its not easy to figure this out when we have to pay attention to profit concerns....cause we also have health care needs!

    A medical savings account is where employers are required to take a percentage of your pay (or a set amount) and pay it into a medical savings account that you pay medical bills with. That amount of money that you EARN and is taken to put into that savings account is NOT counted as income, its not taxable. You can even look at how to take money back out at some point if it goes over a certain amount (possibly taxing what you take out that doesnt go to medical or giving the bonus of not taxing it).

    So that medical account would pay for your med costs. IF you have something catastrophic....car accident, disease etc, then it goes to the tax payer to cover (maybe the patient pays out some small fees for services).
    So you just meant the HSA? I have that. You confused me when you said anything above that would be out of pocket, because the HSA is out of pocket too, it is just pre-tax.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kontrary View Post
    How can you fix it if you make them take on the pre existing conditions? You cant have good free market competition for rates, only the companies with the most customers could spread that cost out enough to lower the cost of policies...that means only a few large ones can survive...market competition is dead.
    Well that is Trumps job now.

    Its why I hired him. He has to figure it out. None of us want the pre-existing part gone. Its the one good thing Obama did during his presidency and taking it away would be political suicide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Well that is Trumps job now.

    Its why I hired him. He has to figure it out. None of us want the pre-existing part gone. Its the one good thing Obama did during his presidency and taking it away would be political suicide.
    If you dont want pre existing conditions gone, then you cant look to free market forces to work at all.....you cant have vibrant market competition if you force them to take pre existing conditions. Only the big winners can do it and there will only be a few companies...bye market competition. But Trumps plan is all about letting the free market fix it and why he holds to the ideal that companies being able to sell across state lines is a good idea..but its dead with the mandate they have to accept pre existing conditions.

    He cant do the impossible..no one can, even if they promise you they can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by metheron View Post
    So you just meant the HSA? I have that. You confused me when you said anything above that would be out of pocket, because the HSA is out of pocket too, it is just pre-tax.
    Yep, the difference would be that now it would be required of all and have amounts set etc, it wouldnt be optional.
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    Unless something unusual happens like Democrats not caring if people die too, they can't get the 60 votes they need to repeal it but they can remove protections at will because they don't need a super majority to do that. I suggest everyone watch this closely because even with that limited ability they can still let people die. The most vulnerable are those making $60,000 or less annually. Watch it close if you want to live.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    What will happen to he The PPACA (Obamacare) now that Trump's been elected?
    I read it takes a 2/3 majority in the senate to repeal it and I don't think they will get it, not if 20 million are going to lose their insurance or the pre-existing condition is scrapped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    Here's what will happen:

    Trump will make some minor changes that won't have any significant effect, and he'll hype up these changes as a replacement of the Affordable Care Act. And Trump supporters will buy it, hook, like and sinker.
    The two areas to watch are the tax credit and the Medicare contributions for states. If they lower the federal contribution by any amount (which I expect them to do) then it becomes a wait and see if states are forced to lower the qualifying number. That would or could cause many to lose coverage. Same applies for the tax credits that help those making $60,000 or less. That credit is applied to that qualifying group and lowers the monthly payment whether they realize it or not. If they lower that then their insurance can go up and match the payments of those making over $60,000 and up. But we'll have to wait and see how this plays out as they may add other alternatives if they remove. Just impossible to guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicnam View Post
    We'll have to wait and see....

    Until then the premiums are going up!
    Well, the premiums will certainly go down for those with coverage under the ACA because they will be dropping coverage and letting the taxpayer pick up their medical bills. It's actually better for them then having something like single payer because with single payer they would have to contribute something whereas this way they don't pay shit, the taxpayer picks up all of their bills. Maybe when we get another 20-30 million dropping coverage the idiots on the right will begin to realize this but don't hold your breath.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    Lets recall what happened in Massachusetts for a sec. Romney had friends that were healthcare CEOs. When he implemented healthcare reform there he got his friends to keep premiums super low. They agreed. After Romney left office they skyrocketed. Since Trump knows some of these CEOs it wouldn't surprise me if the same happened. They will lower premiums. Probably also get rid of the mandate and let insurance be bought nationwide instead of statewide.
    If buying it statewide has any fucking effect whatsoever that means somewhere it must be much cheaper, where is that? That is nothing but rightwing bullshit swallowed by the ignorant. All it takes is one person getting a policy for $680 a month instead of $700 for the right to say see I told you so, and the dumbshits will believe it. Or maybe do a little tort reform and lower it to $675 a month. Then next year when another 10 million drop coverage that $675 will go to $750 but the right will still think they solved the problem.

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    I wonder what that "refundable tax credit" would be for those without coverage through their jobs? I wonder if the right is stupid enough to think a $500 tax credit is going to stop someone from dropping a $10-14,000/yr insurance bill?

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