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  • As a child, were you taught to strive to be the best at whatever you did (elite)?

    2 66.67%
  • As a child were you taught to be mediocre/poor at whatever you did (antonym of elite)?

    0 0%
  • Do you believe Donald Trump, by definition of “elite” is not an elite?

    0 0%
  • Do you believe Donald Trump by definition of the word “elite”, is an elite?

    0 0%
  • Do you want a superior (elite) President run/lead the nation?

    0 0%
  • Do you want a poor/second rate President to run/lead the nation?

    0 0%
  • Do you want a superior (elite) military to defend you and your nation?

    0 0%
  • Do you want a poor/second rate military to defend you and your nation?

    0 0%
  • When you buy goods and services, do you look for superior quality?

    1 33.33%
  • When you buy goods and services, do you look for poor/second rate quality?

    0 0%
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Thread: "Eilte"......How is Trump NOT an elite?

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    "Eilte"......How is Trump NOT an elite?

    "Elite" seems to be a word bantered around a lot these days especially in the last months of this past election.

    Following are links to the Oxford dictionary definition of the word "elite" as well as a link to the antonym of the word, from Thesaurus.

    https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/elite - Please expand examples used in sentences.

    http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/elite

    In the interest of knowledge and understanding, I am curious about many things that led to a man who seems to have a thing (dislike, if not something deeper seated) for "elites", yet pretty much everything about him appears to describe being the very thing he catapulted to a "historical", election. More republicans voted for him, as well as against him and he is only the 4th President elect in history to have not won the popular vote (are you really popular if you didn't win the popular vote (see other Presidents that also did not win the popular vote)).

    That aside, what were the posters here taught as children, to strive for and to be? The best they could be, at whatever they do, or the opposite? Who in America, strives to be poor, not only in income, but in whatever they do, much less was taught to be so?

    What does it mean when America (the Electoral College electors in any case) chooses to elect someone who suggests being "elite" (the best/superior) is something Americans should reject, even as by definition, his life and lifestyle and his boasting about himself (being the best at everything, even better than the "elites" he puts down) describe "elitist" to a Tee. In fact, when in the history of this nation has a candidate for President literally funded their own campaign, while claiming "big money" is not an influence in the race? Just because the "big money" was his own and he is a billionaire because of selling real estate to people (elites) with big money, how is big money, not an influence in the election and how is it America effectively now has a man who essentially bought the office for himself, with his own, big money and can claim, as he did during his campaign, he is beholden to no one, including his supporters, based on the "logic" that contributors to people's campaigns automatically makes a candidate beholden to those contributors. If one is beholden to people who voted for them, then Hillary Clinton would be beholden to more Americans than Donald Trump.

    As it is, the only person Donald Trump is beholden to, is himself. That in of itself seems disturbing as who, but dictators, who then choose their goons, are beholden to only themselves?

    I will ask several questions surrounding the word "elite" and its antonyms.

    As followup, if you are down on superior (elite), what exactly are the characteristics that turn you off about it and could you (and Donald Trump) not be using the right word to describe what it is you are down on?

    What is truly attractive or a turn off to you about Donald Trump (being as specific and detailed as you can be)?

    Add to the questions above, what type of education you believe American children should have regardless of whether it is in business, math, the arts or the trades.......should they get a superior (elite) or mediocre/poor education?

    What sort of nation would you like America to be? Superior (elite) or mediocre/poor/second rate?


    Tell us, how does a President elect who believes being superior (even though he boasts about how superior his is to everyone else) is "evil" make "American great again" or is "great" in his and his supporters eyes, something akin to the antonyms of the word "elite"????


    What are the endearing characteristics of Donald Trump that American parents can tell their children to look up to and aspire to and perhaps one day be elected to head up the nation themselves, like the person their parents elected to be President?

    Should they strive to be more like the following and follow the "lead" of the man would will be their President?

    http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...ults.html?_r=0

    http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37595321


    When Donald Trump the POTUS hits on or talks about their mothers in such a manner, should they cheer him on? How about the spouses of the women Trump hits on?

    Is it that Donald Trump is a billionaire? How is that not being an elite?

    What exactly is it about Trump and what he does that is so attractive (and non-elitist) to fewer Americans than voted for HRC?

    How many Americans can buy their way out of being held accountable for things like fraud?

    What about the Americans that won't be bought out by settlements and being outspent by Trump's billions and legal team?

    http://www.miamiherald.com/entertain...e91353232.html

    Imagine Trump's lawyers arguing the plaintiffs court fees at $500 some dollars an hour were "excessive" to their own (non-elitist) $400 some dollars an hour?
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    yes, trump is part of the elite class...

    as is hillary. and most politicians...and wealthy people...and pro sports people, actors, etc.

    i thought everyone knew that...

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Devil's Advocate View Post
    yes, trump is part of the elite class...

    as is hillary. and most politicians...and wealthy people...and pro sports people, actors, etc.

    i thought everyone knew that...
    Perhaps you would care to read the questions? Where was Hillary Clinton's name mentioned? She won the popular vote, but lost the Electoral College. No need to continue obsessing about her unless you are somehow worried there is.

    Why not focus on who the Electoral College and who the voters that gave the Electoral College vote to? He's now the one who will be both be in government and in the hot seat that those he has criticized so much (and claimed to be superior than) have sat in.

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    An elitist is a person that can't connect with everyday people, thinks they're above the rules, and lives in a bubble. That's not Trump. Trump is a working man and deals with people on every level of society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    An elitist is a person that can't connect with everyday people, thinks they're above the rules, and lives in a bubble. That's not Trump. Trump is a working man and deals with people on every level of society.
    Oh, boy, now that is funny! Good one, Born Free! Thanks for my laugh of the day.

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    Why Sir don't you realize it's part of the con? Only the naive think Trump isn't an elitist.
    Last edited by Eve1; 19th November 2016 at 08:33 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    An elitist is a person that can't connect with everyday people, thinks they're above the rules, and lives in a bubble. That's not Trump. Trump is a working man and deals with people on every level of society.
    Is that your own made up definition or what people normally use to have a common understanding?

    So Trump is NOT an "elitist" because he is a "working man"? As compared to whom, that is NOT a working man? How do you suppose or imagine all those you are calling "elite" are NOT working men and women and how many "working" men and women do you know that had a privileged upbringing, were educated at elite colleges and got a "small" million dollar plus "loan" from their daddy, to start off in the adult world? What alternative reality world are you living in, but one where you have just been bamboozled again by an elite to somehow NOT see just how elite the person they elected is and by his own bragging about how superior he is?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KnotaFrayed View Post
    Is that your own made up definition or what people normally use to have a common understanding?

    So Trump is NOT an "elitist" because he is a "working man"? As compared to whom, that is NOT a working man? How do you suppose or imagine all those you are calling "elite" are NOT working men and women and how many "working" men and women do you know that had a privileged upbringing, were educated at elite colleges and got a "small" million dollar plus "loan" from their daddy, to start off in the adult world? What alternative reality world are you living in, but one where you have just been bamboozled again by an elite to somehow NOT see just how elite the person they elected is and by his own bragging about how superior he is?
    When did Trump ever work? He lived off Daddies fortune. Never did an honest day's work in his life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KnotaFrayed View Post
    Perhaps you would care to read the questions? Where was Hillary Clinton's name mentioned? She won the popular vote, but lost the Electoral College. No need to continue obsessing about her unless you are somehow worried there is.

    Why not focus on who the Electoral College and who the voters that gave the Electoral College vote to? He's now the one who will be both be in government and in the hot seat that those he has criticized so much (and claimed to be superior than) have sat in.

    the thread title is ""Eilte"......How is Trump NOT an elite?"

    he IS an eilte is my contention,,as all should know...WHY others may think or say differently is beyond me...

    is "eilte" bad?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KnotaFrayed View Post
    "Elite" seems to be a word bantered around a lot these days especially in the last months of this past election.

    Following are links to the Oxford dictionary definition of the word "elite" as well as a link to the antonym of the word, from Thesaurus.

    https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/elite - Please expand examples used in sentences.

    Elite Synonyms, Elite Antonyms | Thesaurus.com

    In the interest of knowledge and understanding, I am curious about many things that led to a man who seems to have a thing (dislike, if not something deeper seated) for "elites", yet pretty much everything about him appears to describe being the very thing he catapulted to a "historical", election. More republicans voted for him, as well as against him and he is only the 4th President elect in history to have not won the popular vote (are you really popular if you didn't win the popular vote (see other Presidents that also did not win the popular vote)).

    That aside, what were the posters here taught as children, to strive for and to be? The best they could be, at whatever they do, or the opposite? Who in America, strives to be poor, not only in income, but in whatever they do, much less was taught to be so?

    What does it mean when America (the Electoral College electors in any case) chooses to elect someone who suggests being "elite" (the best/superior) is something Americans should reject, even as by definition, his life and lifestyle and his boasting about himself (being the best at everything, even better than the "elites" he puts down) describe "elitist" to a Tee. In fact, when in the history of this nation has a candidate for President literally funded their own campaign, while claiming "big money" is not an influence in the race? Just because the "big money" was his own and he is a billionaire because of selling real estate to people (elites) with big money, how is big money, not an influence in the election and how is it America effectively now has a man who essentially bought the office for himself, with his own, big money and can claim, as he did during his campaign, he is beholden to no one, including his supporters, based on the "logic" that contributors to people's campaigns automatically makes a candidate beholden to those contributors. If one is beholden to people who voted for them, then Hillary Clinton would be beholden to more Americans than Donald Trump.

    As it is, the only person Donald Trump is beholden to, is himself. That in of itself seems disturbing as who, but dictators, who then choose their goons, are beholden to only themselves?

    I will ask several questions surrounding the word "elite" and its antonyms.

    As followup, if you are down on superior (elite), what exactly are the characteristics that turn you off about it and could you (and Donald Trump) not be using the right word to describe what it is you are down on?

    What is truly attractive or a turn off to you about Donald Trump (being as specific and detailed as you can be)?

    Add to the questions above, what type of education you believe American children should have regardless of whether it is in business, math, the arts or the trades.......should they get a superior (elite) or mediocre/poor education?

    What sort of nation would you like America to be? Superior (elite) or mediocre/poor/second rate?


    Tell us, how does a President elect who believes being superior (even though he boasts about how superior his is to everyone else) is "evil" make "American great again" or is "great" in his and his supporters eyes, something akin to the antonyms of the word "elite"????


    What are the endearing characteristics of Donald Trump that American parents can tell their children to look up to and aspire to and perhaps one day be elected to head up the nation themselves, like the person their parents elected to be President?

    Should they strive to be more like the following and follow the "lead" of the man would will be their President?

    http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...ults.html?_r=0

    US election: Full transcript of Donald Trump's obscene videotape - BBC News


    When Donald Trump the POTUS hits on or talks about their mothers in such a manner, should they cheer him on? How about the spouses of the women Trump hits on?

    Is it that Donald Trump is a billionaire? How is that not being an elite?

    What exactly is it about Trump and what he does that is so attractive (and non-elitist) to fewer Americans than voted for HRC?

    How many Americans can buy their way out of being held accountable for things like fraud?

    What about the Americans that won't be bought out by settlements and being outspent by Trump's billions and legal team?

    Trump ordered to pay nearly $300,000 in lawsuit brought by jilted painter | Miami Herald

    Imagine Trump's lawyers arguing the plaintiffs court fees at $500 some dollars an hour were "excessive" to their own (non-elitist) $400 some dollars an hour?
    Trump is an elite. The only difference between him and hillary is he promised things to a demographic the democratic party under obama has cast out of the democratic party, the white working class. They responded.

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