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    Given that qurayshism along with torahnism are foundations for nomian legal systems and extant of each respective city state , hejaz and israel , non nomian legal systems apply deductively establishing individualism through non aggression principles .

    Whence , lauding democracy espousing tyranny through majority violates the us tenth amendment against its establishment of citizen individualism , while also non aggression principles would be violated against individual self ownership and self determination .

    Whence , lauding nomian legal systems within a premise for non nomian legal systems begets an additional inquiry which is whether any nomian declaration includes precepts against non aggression principles ?

    Whence , literal directives exist to establish city states of israel along with hejaz , even through violence , where its kindred clad lineages would coalesce to ensure a continuance of eponymous patriarchs ishmael or isaac with a religious polity .

    Whence , if a presumption for an establishment of a nomian legal system that includes directives to establish its precepts through violence is also presumed outside of some boundary or barrier , given a poorly examined history although clear indication of ideological pogroms , where is a non nomian legal system based in non aggression principles expected to weigh in , where numbers translate into votes that translate into legislated public policy ?

    Whence , according to non aggression principles , any threat or act of violence against self ownership or self determination of any other individual is illegitimate and subject to reprise or retort from a greater individual of state .

    Whence , how long should ignorance maintain objectivity ?

    Which Moderate Mussel Men Aspect Imply Moderation Inn High Degree Moderation ?

    Grounding remote individuals by directly relating an understanding for bases of public policy as well as behavioral rules of non aggression with entitlement for self defense is part of informed consent for a populous .


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    The allegories of ishmael or isaac with respect to birth rite creating angst contemplated murder sacrifice by abraham , as ishmael was settled in par ran , as isaac was settled in is ra el , and each birth allude to haploids of matriarchs distinct in kindred clad . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrial_Eve .

    Libertarianism forwards individualism along with its self ownership and self determination through negative liberties with degrees of informed consent .

    Whether an individual is nimbus in emulating a quality of infinitude , by being and becoming through some transition , or whether an individual is astute in affirming a quality of infinitude , by being and becoming through some transition , one may satisfy a strong anthropic principle by replication of their haploid game meets ( gamete ) , even those decided from protein racemization ( race em is zation ) , which both emulates and affirms a quality of infinitude , by being and becoming through some transition .

    Whence , heterogeneous populations may elect matrimonial arrangements based upon kindred haploid clads for those interested in species of hue mam on sent tie yet net .
    You're just fucking with us all again, aren't you?

    Sorry, but I'm not reading through all of this shit. Now if you want to use the actual English language, with words and sentences that are more or less universally understood, then we can have a discussion. But I'm not going to give myself a headache trying to understand what you're saying without needing a fucking Junior Space Cadet Secret Decoder Ring.

    Oh, and here's what the Constitution has to say about the subject:

    Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof
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    Nothing in the 1st says anything about being able to prevent them from building Churches, Temples or Mosques, because they come from a country that has laws different than ours. That includes the religion of Islam. Case closed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NiteGuy View Post
    You're just fucking with us all again, aren't you?
    Sorry, but I'm not reading through all of this shit. Now if you want to use the actual English language, with words and sentences that are more or less universally understood, then we can have a discussion. But I'm not going to give myself a headache trying to understand what you're saying without needing a fucking Junior Space Cadet Secret Decoder Ring.
    Oh, and here's what the Constitution has to say about the subject:
    Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof
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    Nothing in the 1st says anything about being able to prevent them from building Churches, Temples or Mosques, because they come from a country that has laws different than ours. That includes the religion of Islam. Case closed.
    An inability of you to infer does not depend upon my terms of language rather it depends upon your bias to defend a malevolent ideology founded upon violations of non aggression principles , because the bill includes a distinction between actions a us citizen may take that do not depend upon contributions from foreign nationals and actions that a us citizen may take that do depend upon contributions from foreign nationals .

    A foreign national is not a us citizen and is not privy to do as they please to include providing funds to us citizens , especially if those foreign nationals do not support the us constitution principles for freedom of religion .

    In fact , if a us citizen receives funds from a foreign national who does not adhere with us first amendment principles , through guilt by association , the us citizen does not intend to adhere with us first amendment principles and is engaging in sedition .

    No Saudi money for American mosques | TheHill
    An important new bill introduced by Rep. Dave Brat (R-Va.) aims to take a step toward fixing a monumental imbalance.

    Brat’s proposed bill, H.R. 5824, the “Religious Freedom International Reciprocity Enhancement Act,” makes it unlawful for “foreign nationals of a country that limits the free exercise of religion in that country to make any expenditure in the United States to promote a religion in the United States, and for other purposes.” Hello, Saudi Arabia!

    To “promote a religion” includes funding “religious services, religious education, evangelical outreach, and publication and dissemination of religious literature.” Should funding proceed anyway in defiance of this bill, the U.S. government can seize the monies.

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    The faster that piece of shit monarchy crumbles and hits the ground the better .
    Najib Razak: Malaysian PM cleared over $980 million Saudi 'donation' - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
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    UMNO emphasizes as its foundation the struggle to uphold the aspirations of Malay nationalism and the dignity of race, religion and country.[4] The party also aspires to protect the Malay culture as the national culture and to uphold, defend and expand Islam across Malaysia.[5][6]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamism
    Starting in the mid-1970s the Islamic resurgence was funded by an abundance of money from Saudi Arabian oil exports.[67] The tens of billions of dollars in "petro-Islam" largess obtained from the recently heightened price of oil funded an estimated "90% of the expenses of the entire faith."[68]
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    The interpretation of Islam promoted by this funding was the strict, conservative Saudi-based Wahhabism or Salafism. In its harshest form it preached that Muslims should not only "always oppose" infidels "in every way," but "hate them for their religion ... for Allah's sake," that democracy "is responsible for all the horrible wars of the 20th century," that Shiaand other non-Wahhabi Muslims were infidels, etc.[73]
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    Quote Originally Posted by Monk-Eye View Post
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    It is very simple to understand ; the qurayn would not apply outside of hejaz and any presumption that the qurayn does apply outside of hejaz is debase and termed fictional ishmaelism .
    Well, it isn't that simple for me to understand why you seem so convinced that you have uncovered the fatal flaw of a Islam that renders basically everyone's membership in the religion null and void. So you aren't a Muslim, but you are upset that they are all doing it wrong? I can assure you that they don't care. It reminds me of the Eddie Murphy joke that it had been discovered that Lincoln never actually signed the Emancipation Proclamation, so technically slavery is back on. It's a billion people who believe that an invisible sky god sends prophets to tell people all the rules to live a pure life. Believing that they can't construct some workaround to your silly hejaz jurisdiction is horribly naïve.

    Disappointingly , a number of poignant and technical words are being applied that you do not appear to grasp and prefer to ignore ; thus , in spite of deserving disgust for the insolence you display , you should be more insulted knowing that such pathetic demonstration of ability deserves pity .

    Further more , even if mu ham mad himself asserted a god damned lie that the qurayn applies outside of hejaz , for all i care , he and all the deluded psychotic droning sheeple pandering orwellian double speak by lauding submission to the arrogance and nomian legalism of some megalomaniac militant manifesto can shove fictional ishmaelism i slam up their fascist lofted rears as they prostrate themselves under foot and worshiping the goat of the man in front while they all beckon for a prostrate massage from baphomet .
    Yes... poignant technical words like "shove...up their fascist lofted rears" and "while they all beckon for a prostrate (did you mean prostate here?) massage", "the goat" (oh my!). Just when I think you might be going over my head, you return back to your rightful place in the gutter of putrid and childish emotional outbursts. It's not often that I get to see Tourette's Syndrome transcribed. Bravo.

    Please reconcile this proposed law with the section 1 of the 14th amendment

    "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
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    Quote Originally Posted by StanStill View Post
    Please reconcile this proposed law with the section 1 of the 14th amendment
    "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
    That resolution has already been provided .

    The law is a limit on activities of foreign nationals , the law is not a limit on us citizens .


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    Quote Originally Posted by Monk-Eye View Post
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    It is very simple to understand ; the qurayn would not apply outside of hejaz and any presumption that the qurayn does apply outside of hejaz is debase and termed fictional ishmaelism .
    Well, it isn't that simple for me to understand why you seem so convinced that you have uncovered the fatal flaw of a Islam that renders basically everyone's membership in the religion null and void. ... I can assure you that they don't care.
    None here needs your assurance that they do not care .

    As you indicate , a basis of their belief is numbers , not realism .

    Their perspectives are not valid and poised to be undone by non nomianism and non aggression principles .


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    Quote Originally Posted by StanStill View Post
    It reminds me of the Eddie Murphy joke that it had been discovered that Lincoln never actually signed the Emancipation Proclamation, so technically slavery is back on. It's a billion people who believe that an invisible sky god sends prophets to tell people all the rules to live a pure life. Believing that they can't construct some workaround to your silly hejaz jurisdiction is horribly naïve.
    Their workaround is to murder or to enslave non believers by doctrine if ever they are superior .

    Are you suggesting that they are justified in so doing ?


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    Quote Originally Posted by StanStill View Post
    Yes... poignant technical words like "shove...up their fascist lofted rears" and "while they all beckon for a prostrate (did you mean prostate here?) massage", "the goat" (oh my!). Just when I think you might be going over my head, you return back to your rightful place in the gutter of putrid and childish emotional outbursts. It's not often that I get to see Tourette's Syndrome transcribed. Bravo.
    Perhaps you have not had your life threatened by the sentinels of fictional ishmaelism i slam psychopathy and were then told by a forum member , to which you were responding , that it was your own fault for bringing up the issue .

    Perhaps you have not reviewed the the ideology , the history , the contemporary activities and violent intentions maintained by the plethora of fictional ishmaelism i slam psychopaths .


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    Various theonomic authors have stated such goals as "the universal development of Biblical theocratic republics",[4] exclusion of non-Christians from voting and citizenship,[5] and the application of Biblical law by the state.[6] Under such a system of Biblical law, homosexual acts,[7] adultery, witchcraft, and blasphemy[8] would be punishable by death. Propagation of idolatry or "false religions" would be illegal[9] and could also be punished by the death penalty.[10][11] More recent theonomic writers such as Joel McDurmon, President of American Vision, have moved away from this position, stating that these death penalties are no longer binding in the new covenant.[12] Polemicist and Theonomy critic, JD Hall, who debated McDurmon in 2015,[13] has argued that abandoning Mosaic penologies such as the death penalty means that McDurmon and others who hold similar positions cannot be said to hold to theonomy in any meaningful way.[14]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monk-Eye View Post
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    That resolution has already been provided .

    The law is a limit on activities of foreign nationals , the law is not a limit on us citizens .
    Read the amendment again.

    1. 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.


    Only the first half deals with citizens. The second half (after the nor) deals with "any person". How do we resolve this in light of your favored "special treatment" law for people who come from oppressive states?

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    Quote Originally Posted by StanStill View Post
    Read the amendment again.

    1. 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
    Only the first half deals with citizens. The second half (after the nor) deals with "any person". How do we resolve this in light of your favored "special treatment" law for people who come from oppressive states?
    Are foreign nationals entitled to vote ?

    Apparently , exceptions and limits to their entitlements relative with citizens do and can exist .

    None are removing their wright to life , or liberty .

    The removal of their property , if they should attempt to implement it to build a religious institution , would be subject to due process of law with the passage of the amendment .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Monk-Eye View Post
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    Are foreign nationals entitled to vote ?
    Irrelevant. Many citizens aren't entitled to vote.

    Apparently , exceptions and limits to their entitlements relative with citizens do and can exist .

    None are removing their wright to life , or liberty .
    Really? This is from the OP:

    To “promote a religion” includes funding “religious services, religious education, evangelical outreach, and publication and dissemination of religious literature.” Should funding proceed anyway in defiance of this bill, the U.S. government can seize the monies.

    So basically freedom of the press and of speech can be curtailed if you aren't deemed "suitable for freedom". How would such a law be constructed so as to avoid the limitations placed upon laws in the first amendment? In case you have forgotten it:

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

    The removal of their property , if they should attempt to implement it to build a religious institution , would be subject to due process of law with the passage of the amendment .
    That could also be read as:

    "The removal of their property , if they should attempt to implement it to exercise freedom of religion and of speech , would be subject to due process of law with the passage of the amendment ."
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    I'm not fond of this one. Like others have stated, it would be extremely difficult to interpret and enforce. Moreover, I see this could be the classic example of -it you live by the sword, you can die by the sword. This is especially true in politics. Case in point: the sword used by Senator Reid when the Democrats controlled the Senate is now being used by the Republicans now that they are in control.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StanStill View Post
    Irrelevant. Many citizens aren't entitled to vote.
    Really? This is from the OP:

    To “promote a religion” includes funding “religious services, religious education, evangelical outreach, and publication and dissemination of religious literature.” Should funding proceed anyway in defiance of this bill, the U.S. government can seize the monies.
    So basically freedom of the press and of speech can be curtailed if you aren't deemed "suitable for freedom". How would such a law be constructed so as to avoid the limitations placed upon laws in the first amendment? In case you have forgotten it:

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
    That could also be read as:
    "The removal of their property , if they should attempt to implement it to exercise freedom of religion and of speech , would be subject to due process of law with the passage of the amendment ."
    Foreign nationals are prevented from contributing to political campaigns as it indicates a clear threat to solvency of the social civil contract between citizens .

    Foreign Nationals Brochure .
    The Federal Election Campaign Act (FECA) prohibits any foreign national from contributing, donating or spending funds in connection with any federal, state, or local election in the United States, either directly or indirectly. It is also unlawful to help foreign nationals violate that ban or to solicit, receive or accept contributions or donations from them. Persons who knowingly and willfully engage in these activities may be subject to fines and/or imprisonment.

    The following groups and individuals are considered "foreign nationals" and are, therefore, subject to the prohibition:
    Foreign governments;
    Foreign political parties;
    Foreign corporations;
    Foreign associations;
    Foreign partnerships;
    Individuals with foreign citizenship; and
    Immigrants who do not have a "green card."
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    The courts have typically ruled on what a non citizen may or may not do based upon the particular circumstances , which could include gauging a level of threat by foreign nationals as a clear standard .

    If a case for HR5824 were to be argued before a court , contempt for the us first amendment would represent a compelling interest that includes preserving the solvency of us constitution in addition to concerns for safety us citizens .

    http://ir.lawnet.fordham.edu/cgi/vie...77&context=flr
    This Article explores the connection between citizenship and alienage, enemy status, allegiance, and due process rights against a backdrop of international law. It surveys the application of due process to citizens and aliens based on the location of misconduct within or outside the territory of the United States and notes the expansion of criminal law to cover ever more extraterritorial conduct, including that of noncitizens who otherwise have no connection to the United States. It concludes by suggesting that the fairness of a particular exercise of extraterritorial criminal jurisdiction might be determined by looking at the nature of the obligation that a defendant owes to the state based on international law
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    Quote Originally Posted by Monk-Eye View Post
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    Foreign nationals are prevented from contributing to political campaigns as it indicates a clear threat to solvency of the social civil contract between citizens .

    Foreign Nationals Brochure .

    The Federal Election Campaign Act (FECA) prohibits any foreign national from contributing, donating or spending funds in connection with any federal, state, or local election in the United States, either directly or indirectly. It is also unlawful to help foreign nationals violate that ban or to solicit, receive or accept contributions or donations from them. Persons who knowingly and willfully engage in these activities may be subject to fines and/or imprisonment.

    The following groups and individuals are considered "foreign nationals" and are, therefore, subject to the prohibition:
    Foreign governments;
    Foreign political parties;
    Foreign corporations;
    Foreign associations;
    Foreign partnerships;
    Individuals with foreign citizenship; and
    Immigrants who do not have a "green card."
    Well that's great and all, but what you seem to be saying is that because we already have a law that prohibits foreign nationals from contributing to political campaigns, we therefore are justified in creating this new law that will restrict the freedom of speech and of religion of people who are not involved in contributing to political campaigns. If you proposed a law that would forbid anyone with a felony conviction on their record from attending non-christian churches, and I asked you how you would justify it, do you think it would be legitimate to reply that "we already have laws that forbid them from voting in many states, so why not?"

    One doesn't follow naturally from the other.

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    The courts have typically ruled on what a non citizen may or may not do based upon the particular circumstances , which could include gauging a level of threat by foreign nationals as a clear standard .

    If a case for HR5824 were to be argued before a court , contempt for the us first amendment would represent a compelling interest that includes preserving the solvency of us constitution in addition to concerns for safety us citizens .

    http://ir.lawnet.fordham.edu/cgi/vie...77&context=flr
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    So you are saying that we could accurately demonstrate their hostility to freedom of speech by the fact that they are using it? Do you really think that it is the duty of the government to protect the people from arguments and ideas that it finds too dangerous for free people to encounter? Do you see the role of the government as a parental protector of the childlike populace?

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