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    Netherlands? Islamist ?Denk? Party Shows Immigrants Don?t Assimilate | Observer
    What would you say about the appearance of a political party that opposed assimilation and advocated what, in essence, is the creation of a nation within a nation? It’s a timely question, as the little noted outcome of the March 15 Dutch election was the rise of just such an entity.

    Perhaps “rise” is too strong a word. The party, the Islamist “Denk,” captured just three of the 150 seats in the Netherlands’ House of Representatives. Yet, it’s a striking result considering the party was formed a mere six months ago but still managed to win 205,000 votes from, presumably, the 600,000 to 700,000 voting-age Muslims in the country.

    “Denk” is most cleverly named, meaning “think” in Dutch and “equality” in Turkish (the party was founded by two ethnically Turkish parliamentarians). But the party isn’t thinking about equality.
    The fictional ishmaelism implementation of surah 9 should be put on public trial for its blasphemous expansion of qurayshism through its hostile violations of non aggression principles through out its history .

    Neither are foreign states required to accommodate a totem of occupation by avowed invaders .



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    Do not believe that all voters below those veils represent sympathizers with civil liberties .

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    As government management of private affairs is conservative government as are those with expectations encouraging submission to a potentate realm entitled through authority of a doctrine , the left is stuck with a mixed bag of agreement with socialism while being placated to accommodate a surrender over autonomy by sliding into absence of representation .

    Which Moderate Mussel Men Aspect Imply Moderation Inn High Degree Moderation ? .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monk-Eye View Post
    " Are Europeans Entitled Self Autonomy Without Fictional Ishmaelism ? "


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    Netherlands? Islamist ?Denk? Party Shows Immigrants Don?t Assimilate | Observer


    The fictional ishmaelism implementation of surah 9 should be put on public trial for its blasphemous expansion of qurayshism through its hostile violations of non aggression principles through out its history .

    Neither are foreign states required to accommodate a totem of occupation by avowed invaders .



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    Row after Norway Muslim group appoints spokeswoman in full-face veil - BBC News


    Do not believe that all voters below those veils represent sympathizers with civil liberties .

    Why is the funding of stupidity by the ignorant and objective persisting when the volume of evidence that the angst experiment is neither necessary nor manageable ?

    Highly Valued Cultural Exchange Versus Highly Scrutinized Creed For Citizenship


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    As government management of private affairs is conservative government as are those with expectations encouraging submission to a potentate realm entitled through authority of a doctrine , the left is stuck with a mixed bag of agreement with socialism while being placated to accommodate a surrender over autonomy by sliding into absence of representation .

    Which Moderate Mussel Men Aspect Imply Moderation Inn High Degree Moderation ? .
    Women in veils got you scared again? I thought Christian men loved veils, especially at their weddings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Panzareta View Post
    Women in veils got you scared again?
    Between each of us , which is more fearful of imploring answers to challenging questions indifferent to any criteria other than consistency with non aggression principles , and why would such a clearly explained criteria be immediately dispatched by prejudicial over sight ?

    It is presumed to be understood that allegiance with creed for tenets which violate non aggression principles can be evaluated apatheistically , transcendent beyond religious consideration .

    One of the challenges being presented in the thread will be to expect an answer to this interrogative , " Does an assertion to follow surah 9 violate non aggression principles ? " .


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    I thought Christian men loved veils, especially at their weddings.
    The bounds of chastity for reproductive ends vary with demographics , while enforcement of free association and personal volition to reproductive ends is not an administrative responsibility of government , and neither should government prohibit informed consent of individuals .

    The following account from matthew does not include a reference to strong anthropic principles and the criteria of success according to natural requirements , " ... there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs by not reproducing for the kingdom of heaven's sake ... " .

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    Matthew 9 : 8 He said to them, “Moses, because of the hardness of your hearts, permitted you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so. 9 And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality,[d] and marries another, commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced commits adultery.

    Matthew 19 : 11 But He said to them, “All cannot accept this saying, but only those to whom it has been given: 12 For there are eunuchs who were born thus from their mother’s womb, and there are eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven’s sake. He who is able to accept it, let him accept it.”

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    Clearly christian ethos differs from qurayshism and fictional ishmaelism ethos as it regards divorce , while christian polygamy is seldom reviewed .

    - Surah (Chapter) 2. Al Baqarah
    2:228 Divorced women remain in waiting for three periods, and it is not lawful for them to conceal what Allah has created in their wombs if they believe in Allah and the Last Day. And their husbands have more right to take them back in this [period] if they want reconciliation. And due to the wives is similar to what is expected of them, according to what is reasonable. But the men have a degree over them [in responsibility and authority]. And Allah is Exalted in Might and Wise.

    2:229 Divorce is twice. Then, either keep [her] in an acceptable manner or release [her] with good treatment. And it is not lawful for you to take anything of what you have given them unless both fear that they will not be able to keep [within] the limits of Allah. But if you fear that they will not keep [within] the limits of Allah, then there is no blame upon either of them concerning that by which she ransoms herself. These are the limits of Allah, so do not transgress them. And whoever transgresses the limits of Allah – it is those who are the wrongdoers.

    2:230 And if he has divorced her [for the third time], then she is not lawful to him afterward until [after] she marries a husband other than him. And if the latter husband divorces her [or dies], there is no blame upon the woman and her former husband for returning to each other if they think that they can keep [within] the limits of Allah. These are the limits of Allah, which He makes clear to a people who know.

    2:232 And when you divorce women and they have fulfilled their term, do not prevent them from remarrying their [former] husbands if they agree among themselves on an acceptable basis. That is instructed to whoever of you believes in Allah and the Last Day. That is better for you and purer, and Allah knows and you know not.

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    Is polygamy excluded from christian respice ?

    A literal meaning of an afterlife does not change .

    Could christian monogamy include an expectation of minimalism as one gamete from each parent for reproduction ?

    Is christian monogamy a valid prescription of apostolic cannon ?

    Would you know of any catholic converts who attend church services while also obligated not to seek communion because one had been divorced ?
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    I think from now on, you should just post a word cloud.

    Here's the post above:



    Kinda surprised "Surah" didn't make a bigger appearance, considering how much you mention that word.


    And yes, I voted "Disagree". Do I think Europeans are entitled to self autonomy? Yes. Of course. Do I think the existence of Muslims in their midst has any affect on their self autonomy, no. Not unless they are weak minded people who think ideas are like diseases. In that case, they were probably never self autonomous anyway.
    Last edited by StanStill; 5th April 2017 at 07:27 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StanStill View Post
    I think from now on, you should just post a word cloud.
    Here's the post above:
    [IMG]https://s8.postimg.org/st2ypd0qd/wordcloud.jpg[IMG]
    Apparently you figured a post citing banal recitations of mu ham mad , alluding to all say ah , would be a good retort to demonstrate your bias .


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    Quote Originally Posted by StanStill View Post
    Kinda surprised "Surah" didn't make a bigger appearance, considering how much you mention that word.
    Assuming the word cloud is representative of word search percentages from the internet , it demonstrates a general public ignorance .


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    Quote Originally Posted by StanStill View Post
    And yes, I voted "Disagree". Do I think Europeans are entitled to self autonomy? Yes. Of course. Do I think the existence of Muslims in their midst has any affect on their self autonomy, no. Not unless they are weak minded people who think ideas are like diseases. In that case, they were probably never self autonomous anyway.
    The question has nothing to do with the term muslim , which is a noun meaning " one who submits " ; and , the question has nothing to do with the term islam " , which in an infinitive meaning " to submit " ; whence , a muslim of islam is " one who submits to submission " .

    The question queries whether pretenses for the tenets , cultural traditions , and city state laws of qurayshism apply outside of hejaz , which is fictional ishmaelism , which includes the violent directives of surah 9 that violate non aggression principles .

    Thus , yes , individuals , including europeants , are entitled to self autonomy without being threatened by the violent precepts of fictional ishmaelism .

    Thus , whether or not individuals actively aware of fictional ishmaelism and choose autonomy by rejecting it as a final conclusion , the expected outcome that fictional ishmaelism should not exist outside of hejaz , in europe or otherwise , should be 100% agreement .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Monk-Eye View Post
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    Apparently you figured a post citing banal recitations of mu ham mad , alluding to all say ah , would be a good retort to demonstrate your bias.

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    Assuming the word cloud is representative of word search percentages from the internet , it demonstrates a general public ignorance .

    Absolute horsehockey. I ran your post through a wordcloud maker. It sizes words according to how often they are used BY YOU. Turns out "Allah"—despite your infantile attempts to misspell it— was the most commonly used word in that post, followed by another long time favorite of yours, "eunuchs". No bias was demonstrated. Personally, I think the wordcloud makes about as much sense as yours.


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    The question has nothing to do with the term muslim , which is a noun meaning " one who submits " ; and , the question has nothing to do with the term islam " , which in an infinitive meaning " to submit " ; whence , a muslim of islam is " one who submits to submission " .

    The question queries whether pretenses for the tenets , cultural traditions , and city state laws of qurayshism apply outside of hejaz , which is fictional ishmaelism , which includes the violent directives of surah 9 that violate non aggression principles .

    Thus , yes , individuals , including europeants , are entitled to self autonomy without being threatened by the violent precepts of fictional ishmaelism .

    Thus , whether or not individuals actively aware of fictional ishmaelism and choose autonomy by rejecting it as a final conclusion , the expected outcome that fictional ishmaelism should not exist outside of hejaz , in europe or otherwise , should be 100% agreement .
    Your wordplay is asinine. A Muslim of Islam? Do you refer to Christians as "Christians of Christianity?" or Spaniards as "Spaniards of Spain"?

    Also your attempts to teach Muslims the proper way to be Muslim, by holding up some obscure fine print rule that they all missed about the laws of qurayshism not applying outside hejaz, are truly growing tiresome. Your one trick pony needs to be retired. 1400 years of no one caring about this rule you found, and you think they are going to care now? As anyone familiar with Christianity, or probably any other religion knows all too well, religious rules only apply insofar as they are useful. Once they become a hindrance new "scholarship" quickly surfaces explaining why it is right to ignore them.

    Isn't virtually every religion a hodgepodge of exceptions and excuses over why such and such rule doesn't really apply here, or "is meant figuratively, not literally", or "refers to the personal temple within us all" etc.? People who enjoy the benefits of living in a free and open society quickly learn to justify ignoring their archaic superstitions and religious directives. Why would it be any different for Muslims?

    Christians and Jews once stoned prostitutes, burned witches, and committed all kinds of genocides in the name of their religion. Why did they stop?
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    Quote Originally Posted by StanStill View Post
    Absolute horsehockey. I ran your post through a wordcloud maker. It sizes words according to how often they are used BY YOU. Turns out "Allah"—despite your infantile attempts to misspell it— was the most commonly used word in that post, followed by another long time favorite of yours, "eunuchs". No bias was demonstrated. Personally, I think the wordcloud makes about as much sense as yours.
    The reference to all say ah in the particular post was a compilation of direct quotes from the quryan , with the specific purpose of comparing adultery and marriage differences between christianity and qurayhism , which you completely ignored .

    The term analogous with an orgasm of " all say ah " is seldom if ever presented in general terms by myself , much as the term muslim , or i slam ; thus , the words in the cloud were a morose exaggeration , in relation with the words of the post , and is likely associated with other variable parameters such as general incidence during global word searches .

    Thus , you chose the particular post for creating a word cloud , for whichever pivoting reasons , and possibly to render 9:11 as a calling card , a time stamp end of edits upon my observing , questionably presumed to be on behalf of the fictional ishmaelism trophy for murderers .

    So here it is again - September 11 , 2001 - by doctrine , apparently you are proud of it , while kill and be killed is not in the gospel -
    - Surah (Chapter) 9. At Taubah
    9:111 Indeed, Allah has purchased from the believers their lives and their properties [in exchange] for that thy will have Paradise. They fight in the cause of Allah, so they kill and are killed. [It is] a true promise [binding] upon Him in the Torah and the Gospel and the Qur'an. And who is truer to his covenant than Allah? So rejoice in your transaction which you have contracted. And it is that which is the great attainment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StanStill View Post
    Your wordplay is asinine. A Muslim of Islam? Do you refer to Christians as "Christians of Christianity?" or Spaniards as "Spaniards of Spain"?
    The idiomatic , tongue in cheek , stupidity of your favorite marauders , is asinine .

    The " call it fate " - caliphate - which alludes to the psychosis of surah 47 , that " a non believer does not have protector " , is analogous with i kick your ass , take your shit , enslave you , and i win because gawd loves me more .

    So do not pretend that two cannot play that game , and do not pretend they deserve anything less than what they are dealing and " do not weaken and call for peace while superior " because " armed struggle was directed to decide among you " .

    Or the " sail a fists " - the sailafists - fundamentalists psychopaths ; the the deobandi - de o ban di , or the " hi jab " , or " i slam " , and any of the other transparent allusions clearly evident to anyone with a modicum of competency in language .


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    Quote Originally Posted by StanStill View Post
    Also your attempts to teach Muslims the proper way to be Muslim, by holding up some obscure fine print rule that they all missed about the laws of qurayshism not applying outside hejaz, are truly growing tiresome.
    Try not to pretend whey care .


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    Quote Originally Posted by StanStill View Post
    Your one trick pony needs to be retired. 1400 years of no one caring about this rule you found, and you think they are going to care now?
    Why would anyone 1400 years from now care when fictional ishmaelism was revealed ?

    Assuming you believe that any fabrication includes intrinsic deviations , that any doctrine is incapable of encompassing a complete epistemology , then what is your concern with these fabrications of logical constructs being levied as more commendable against many collective alternatives ?


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    Quote Originally Posted by StanStill View Post
    As anyone familiar with Christianity, or probably any other religion knows all too well, religious rules only apply insofar as they are useful. Once they become a hindrance new "scholarship" quickly surfaces explaining why it is right to ignore them.
    Your double speak is astounding , since a dismiss of fictional ishmaelism as a debase pretense that qurayshism applies outside of hejaz is here to stay .


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    Quote Originally Posted by StanStill View Post
    Isn't virtually every religion a hodgepodge of exceptions and excuses over why such and such rule doesn't really apply here, or "is meant figuratively, not literally", or "refers to the personal temple within us all" etc.? People who enjoy the benefits of living in a free and open society quickly learn to justify ignoring their archaic superstitions and religious directives. Why would it be any different for Muslims?
    Unfortunately , basing beliefs on figurative rather than literal assumptions is not a common aspect of fictional ishmaelism ; and , numbers translate into votes and public policy , which your pathetic calls for accommodation are unable to rectify .

    Lauding democracy for its tyranny by majority , by aristocracy , over emphasis on individual autonomy are the issues ; and , yet , you see fit to oppose that latter principles in support of deranged institutions for despotism and failing to call them to account .


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    Quote Originally Posted by StanStill View Post
    Christians and Jews once stoned prostitutes, burned witches, and committed all kinds of genocides in the name of their religion. Why did they stop?
    That would have to do with the doctrines , since it is antithetical to christian ethos to do anything of the sort , in spite of what others may have implemented .

    Again and repeatedly , one can hold antinomians accountable to their doctrine , which incriminates their violent antithetical actions , which can be realized by their own self reflection over time because aspects of that faith reject legal literalism as dogma , while qurayn doctrine institutionalizes egregious actions against individualism and its adherents espouse legal literalism as dogma .

    As for torahnism , or theonomism , those boundaries are set within the city state of israel , which does not directly imply violations of non aggression principles , else , where ? , extant .

    Or , else those levels of threat would like wise be evaluated according to any implicit violence levied by institutions with a creed for autonomy of collectivism over individualism against institutions with a creed for autonomy of individualism over collectivism .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Monk-Eye View Post
    " Are Europeans Entitled Self Autonomy Without Fictional Ishmaelism ? "


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    The fictional ishmaelism implementation of surah 9 should be put on public trial for its blasphemous expansion of qurayshism through its hostile violations of non aggression principles through out its history .

    Neither are foreign states required to accommodate a totem of occupation by avowed invaders .



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    Row after Norway Muslim group appoints spokeswoman in full-face veil - BBC News


    Do not believe that all voters below those veils represent sympathizers with civil liberties .

    Why is the funding of stupidity by the ignorant and objective persisting when the volume of evidence that the angst experiment is neither necessary nor manageable ?

    Highly Valued Cultural Exchange Versus Highly Scrutinized Creed For Citizenship


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    As government management of private affairs is conservative government as are those with expectations encouraging submission to a potentate realm entitled through authority of a doctrine , the left is stuck with a mixed bag of agreement with socialism while being placated to accommodate a surrender over autonomy by sliding into absence of representation .

    Which Moderate Mussel Men Aspect Imply Moderation Inn High Degree Moderation ? .
    Not absolutely how to translate or interpret your cryptic post, but when you say autonomy.....you mean autonomy based on what? Borders? Nationalism? All those inside the barn at the time "autonomy" is declared or defined?

    Did First Peoples of the Americas have a right to whatever measure of "autonomy" you fictionally or non-fictionally, are envisioning? If you were to ask if nations are entitled to pass laws regarding what goes on within borders they claim and are able to defend, why not? The better question might be, what defines "humanity" and "being humane"? For Christians, is closing the door to strangers and asylum seekers, a part of the "autonomy" of Christians and Christianity or is it fictional Christiandom? When nations pass laws to bar or restrict new people, is it directed at new people or specific new people, and if at specific new people, what of the same specific "type" of people that are already within and accepted within, those borders? Are they somehow exempted because they are already inside the walls/gate or are the persecuted because they look, sound and came from the same place (only in another time) as the people now barred, because of who they are, not because they are new or additional people.

    How many Americans, especially now, would we welcomed with open arms and without restriction, to Europe.

    There are ways at looking at all things in life as to specific circumstances, rather than, sweeping, generalized, either/or, tribal, patriot/traitor constructs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KnotaFrayed View Post
    Did First Peoples of the Americas have a right to whatever measure of "autonomy" you fictionally or non-fictionally, are envisioning?
    A wright exist because an individual ( lesser or greater ) issues a retort or reprisal against any violating the wright .

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    Those applying the term natural law as some norm ( natural rights , sic . ) for human behavior based upon an inalienable entitlement from psychopomps are forwarding inanity .
    Alternatively , the term natural law may be inferred from events within nature , which offers many perspectives including moral relativism with respect to good versus evil .
    Given the natural freedoms others may exercise , one may improve their odds for survival by organizing into collectives as greater individuals .
    Even though citizen members enter into a social civil contract based in non aggression principles for public policy , all external individuals may remain subject to the fates of natural freedom .
    One may suppose citizens with a social civil contract founded upon non aggression principles may implement foreign policy based upon non aggression principles however , from natural freedoms , it is not a necessity to do so .
    At issue now is whether a creed founded upon aggression principles , along with rhetoric such as " ... do not weaken and call for peace while you are superior ... " should be extended membership in a social civil contract based upon non aggression principles .

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