View Poll Results: For Gorsuch fans, do you think he is as ideologically driven as Scalia was?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wonderer View Post
    I voted "maybe." I'm not entirely sure what you mean by "ideological." If you mean it in the purely political sense, I don't think so. If you mean it in the judicial philosophy sense, then he may well be.
    Certainly accepting trumps nomination proved he isn't as into that constitutional originalist thingie as he claims to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by labrea View Post
    Certainly accepting trumps nomination proved he isn't as into that constitutional originalist thingie as he claims to be.
    How so?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GordonGecko View Post
    Do you think he is as ideologically driven as Antonin Scalia was?

    or less so?

    Believe you have a poll based on a false premise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wonderer View Post
    You find him lacking common sense at present?
    Yes.

    The examples which were raised during his hearings make it sound like he's overly literal at the expense of context and assumable intent.

    For example in the decision which earned him an 8-0 rebuff from the Supreme Court while he was testifying in his confirmation hearings -- https://www.usnews.com/news/us/artic...tion-standards.

    And the other famous case is the one where he ruled that a company who left a driver stranded for hours in freezing weather could fire him because he refused to stay in the cold vehicle for a further indefinite period. Because of how he parsed language about "operating" versus "not operating" a vehicle. Because the lawmakers' language didn't include every possible depraved contingency that a company might use to take advantage of an employee operating machinery in dangerous conditions.



    If his defenders came up with evidence that that was an anomaly, I didn't hear it. But I admit I didn't pay close attention.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amelia View Post
    Yes.

    The examples which were raised during his hearings make it sound like he's overly literal at the expense of context and assumable intent.

    For example in the decision which earned him an 8-0 rebuff from the Supreme Court while he was testifying in his confirmation hearings -- https://www.usnews.com/news/us/artic...tion-standards.

    And the other famous case is the one where he ruled that a company who left a driver stranded for hours in freezing weather could fire him because he refused to stay in the cold vehicle for a further indefinite period. Because of how he parsed language about "operating" versus "not operating" a vehicle. Because the lawmakers' language didn't include every possible depraved contingency that a company might use to take advantage of an employee operating machinery in dangerous conditions.



    If his defenders came up with evidence that that was an anomaly, I didn't hear it. But I admit I didn't pay close attention.
    I can understand why one might disagree with the outcome and even the rationale employed in those decisions. I don't agree that = lacking common sense. However, that view may be colored by my training and profession.
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    My feeling is that he's at least as far to the right as Scalia was and maybe more so. In key cases, Gorsuch's presence will be felt immediately in reestablishing the 5-4 narrow split decisions that characterized many of the rightwing decisions during the Scalia era.

    Gorsuch ruled in favor of corporations, government and for an expansion of religious rights based upon individual religious opinions that supercede other's rights. The far right expects reliably rightwing decisions from Gorsuch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by labrea View Post
    Certainly accepting trumps nomination proved he isn't as into that constitutional originalist thingie as he claims to be.
    Why he was appointed by a POTUS that was elected according to the Constituition of the US... he was Confirmed by a majority of the US Senate.

    There is NO, filibuster requirement in the US Consitution, that is a SENATE rule and can be changed by the US Senate at anytime.

    Apparenlty you are Consitutionally challenged

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amelia View Post
    Yes.

    The examples which were raised during his hearings make it sound like he's overly literal at the expense of context and assumable intent.

    For example in the decision which earned him an 8-0 rebuff from the Supreme Court while he was testifying in his confirmation hearings -- https://www.usnews.com/news/us/artic...tion-standards.

    And the other famous case is the one where he ruled that a company who left a driver stranded for hours in freezing weather could fire him because he refused to stay in the cold vehicle for a further indefinite period. Because of how he parsed language about "operating" versus "not operating" a vehicle. Because the lawmakers' language didn't include every possible depraved contingency that a company might use to take advantage of an employee operating machinery in dangerous conditions.



    If his defenders came up with evidence that that was an anomaly, I didn't hear it. But I admit I didn't pay close attention.

    Gorsuch simply ruled that what the company did was not against the letter of the law. Sort of a black/white thing.

    Wasn't all that outrageous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    You did not offer the correct answer in your poll

    Scalia was not ideologicly driven. he was an originalist and interpreted the constitution as it was written. Gorsuch says he will do the same.


    The constitution is what it is until the Congress by 2/3rds vote in both houses and 2/3rds of the state Legislatures change it, Or it is changed via Constitutional Convention.
    Define it any way you like, Vol.


    Wil Neil Gorsuch be a Justice "in the mold" of Antonin Scalia.....or less conservative...or even (somehow) more conservative???

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    Quote Originally Posted by pragmatic View Post
    Believe you have a poll based on a false premise.
    If you wish to "re-define" the parameters as TNVOl wants....feel free.


    Put it simpler....will Neil Gorsuch be "another Scalia"......or another "Roberts"....or another "Kennedy"....or even another "Souter"?

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