View Poll Results: Should Adolescents Who Have Sex With Teachers Be Charged With Accessory To A Crime ?

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    Chaos in fourteen lines Minotaur's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Monk-Eye View Post
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    Are you indicating that a minor would or should not be charged with murder , or vandalism , or forcible rape , albeit under a different set of procedures and penalties from adults ?

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    I am indicating exactly what I said. Not interested in switching subjects. Children who are victims of sexual abuse by adults are victims, period. In this country we don't punish victims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    Since the adolescent is by law the victim of the sex crime, it would be bad public policy to charge him or her. Even if the adolescent is a "willing participant," he or she cannot consent, and therefore willing participation is not legally relevant.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question
    The fallacy of petitio principii, or "begging the question" is committed when someone attempts to prove a proposition based on a premise that itself requires proof.[7] It is an attempt to prove a proposition by using an argument that takes the proposition for granted, presupposing the very proposition that is questioned.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_of_infancy
    Under the English common law the defense of infancy was expressed as a set of presumptions. A child under the age of seven was presumed incapable of committing a crime. The presumption was conclusive, prohibiting the prosecution from offering evidence that the child had the capacity to appreciate the nature and wrongfulness of what he had done. Children aged seven to under fourteen were presumed incapable of committing a crime but the presumption was rebuttable. The prosecution could overcome the presumption by proving that the child understood what he was doing and that it was wrong.[1] Children fourteen and older were presumed capable of committing a crime. However, the child could rebut this presumption by establishing that because of his immaturity he was incapable of understanding what he had done or the wrongfulness of his conduct.[2]

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    Define adolescent. In Wisconsin a 17 year old is considered and adolescent but may be charged with a crime as an adult.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bourne View Post
    Define adolescent. In Wisconsin a 17 year old is considered and adolescent but may be charged with a crime as an adult.
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_of_infancy
    Children fourteen and older were presumed capable of committing a crime. However, the child could rebut this presumption by establishing that because of his immaturity he was incapable of understanding what he had done or the wrongfulness of his conduct.[2]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bourne View Post
    Define adolescent. In Wisconsin a 17 year old is considered and adolescent but may be charged with a crime as an adult.
    This is not a case of defense of infancy, however. By the very definition and nature of the crime, the adolescent is the victim. He cannot, by the same act, be both victim and perpetrator.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bourne View Post
    Define adolescent. In Wisconsin a 17 year old is considered and adolescent but may be charged with a crime as an adult.

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    A child committing a crime is not the same as a crime committed on a child. I ignored Monk's version but since this is the second time it has been brought up I figured it was time to state the obvious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monk-Eye View Post
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    You retort does not make any sense .

    By definition , a rape is an act of violence against the free will of another .

    Apparently , the public is not willing to hold adolescents accountable for delinquency when it involves unlawful sex .

    It is not my position that the adult should avoid punishment .

    It is not my position that an adolescent is always innocent and deserving of defense by infancy .
    Statutory rape is an act against the adolescent victim, so my retort makes perfect sense. The kid is viewed as the victim in this case, regardless of whether they wanted it or not. End of story. Your OP is a bust
    Last edited by Dr Sampson Simpson; 26th April 2017 at 04:31 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Sampson Simpson View Post
    Statutory rape is an act against the adolescent victim, so my retort makes perfect sense. The kid is viewed as the victim in this case, regardless of whether they wanted it or not. End of story. Your OP is a bust
    As for why it should not be made clear to an adolescent that participation in sex with an adult is not legal , by holding the adolescent legally accountable , remains unresolved .

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statutory_rape
    In statutory rape, overt force or threat is usually not present. Statutory rape laws presume coercion, because a minor or mentally handicapped adult is legally incapable of giving consent to the act.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_incredulity
    "I cannot imagine how this could be true; therefore, it must be false."
    Last edited by Monk-Eye; 26th April 2017 at 03:25 PM.

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