View Poll Results: Would the GOP & conservatism be better off if Jeb had won?

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Thread: Would the GOP & Conservatism be better off, if Jeb Bush had won?

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    You just made the list! Macduff's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by GordonGecko View Post
    There's a difference between

    1.what they SAY or run on....which is extreme.


    And 2. when they FAIL to implement their extremism.....because it's not popular.
    That makes no sense.
    If it wasn't popular then they wouldn't win when they ran on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macduff View Post
    That makes no sense.
    If it wasn't popular then they wouldn't win when they ran on it.
    Gerrymandering?

    Plus, you promise people endless tax cuts....and "But I won't cut YOUR stuff" "spending cuts"....

    it's easy to win.



    You want to see the GOP crash and burn? Let them ACTUALLY TRY to cut Medicare/Medicaid and Social Security to pay for Yet Another Massive Tax Cut for the Rich?

    Or ban abortion?

    Or let the States decide if it's okay to dump Dioxin in the local watershed?

    Or turn public schools into "weekday Sunday schools"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    Oh sure for the short term Jeb would be better, but long term? Doesn't matter. If you had asked me in Mid November of 2008 about the future of the GOP, I would have told you they were done. Putting up someone like Palin as a serious contender? Plus the democrats had an engaging youthful leader and were full of ideas. I would have bet everything I had that the GOP wouldn't gain back either the presidency, House or Congress for at least two decades. I was wrong. The American public has the attention span of gnats.
    The reason lies in culture, religion and fear. Everyone who voted for the GOP and Trump fears change. To them, change that does not reinforce their religion or cultural norms is abhorrent to them. They do not make rational decisions about politics, it is all emotional or tribal. Look at their makeup, all white, mostly rural, mostly uneducated, very religious and supremely ignorant. Even the most urbane GOP voter views the world through a lens of separation from every one else not in their tribe, they will suspend their otherwise reasonable approach to life to barricade themselves within the cult of the GOP. We may never rid ourselves of them, they are always present in every society and have always been here in ours. The path for the rest of us is to keep trying and to keep moving forward even if these people take us twenty steps back every time they touch anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Claudius the God View Post
    The reason lies in culture, religion and fear. Everyone who voted for the GOP and Trump fears change. To them, change that does not reinforce their religion or cultural norms is abhorrent to them. They do not make rational decisions about politics, it is all emotional or tribal. Look at their makeup, all white, mostly rural, mostly uneducated, very religious and supremely ignorant. Even the most urbane GOP voter views the world through a lens of separation from every one else not in their tribe, they will suspend their otherwise reasonable approach to life to barricade themselves within the cult of the GOP. We may never rid ourselves of them, they are always present in every society and have always been here in ours. The path for the rest of us is to keep trying and to keep moving forward even if these people take us twenty steps back every time they touch anything.
    But that's to be expected from certain demographics. What I don't get is the constant flip flopping of the educated suburbanites and particularly females. Soccer moms as they once were called. They go one way and then go another. Causes massive flip flopping.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    But that's to be expected from certain demographics. What I don't get is the constant flip flopping of the educated suburbanites and particularly females. Soccer moms as they once were called. They go one way and then go another. Causes massive flip flopping.
    I think those voters also defend tribalism but for slightly different reasons. First, any woman who votes for the crypto-religious anti-female party has given up her voice to male domination reinforced by culture and religion. They cannot see themselves as separate from the men in their lives, they are defined by their sex not by their minds and humanity. They accept that they are lesser beings meant only for breeding in the name of God. Second, many people are woefully ignorant of history, politics and policy. They do not have the time or desire to fully grasp ideas and issues. They just go along and the media helps them form opinions. This is advertising, it is why we think having this car is better than that car, they both work but one makes us feel sexy or cool or rich. Our nation depends upon an informed public. We are filled to the brim with ignorant serfs who cannot see the Lord of the Manor for what he is, they only care if he is happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Claudius the God View Post
    I think those voters also defend tribalism but for slightly different reasons. First, any woman who votes for the crypto-religious anti-female party has given up her voice to male domination reinforced by culture and religion. They cannot see themselves as separate from the men in their lives, they are defined by their sex not by their minds and humanity. They accept that they are lesser beings meant only for breeding in the name of God. Second, many people are woefully ignorant of history, politics and policy. They do not have the time or desire to fully grasp ideas and issues. They just go along and the media helps them form opinions. This is advertising, it is why we think having this car is better than that car, they both work but one makes us feel sexy or cool or rich. Our nation depends upon an informed public. We are filled to the brim with ignorant serfs who cannot see the Lord of the Manor for what he is, they only care if he is happy.
    Its not just religion either. I knew a lot of women who were fearful of terrorism and crime during both this past election and back in 2004.

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