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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemonade View Post
    How is this even a topic up for discussion? People should not have to take on a certain role because of their gender.
    Agreed.

    If people want to practice traditional gender roles, I say let them. And if they don't want to, that's also fine with me.

    What I don't like is people telling me what I should practice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BitterPill View Post
    Agreed.

    If people want to practice traditional gender roles, I say let them. And if they don't want to, that's also fine with me.

    What I don't like is people telling me what I should practice.
    Definitely... It bothers me when people shame women for staying home instead of working, because their are still trying to define them by their gender instead of recognizing they are an individual with individual preferences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benji View Post
    Middle of last century.
    You mean when the top personal income tax was near 90% and working in a good factory job put you in the middle class? That last century?

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    My mom worked and most of my friends' moms worked in the 1960s.

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    I think you have to be pretty insecure to want to force people into gender roles. And yes, I read "Iron John" in the 80s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benji View Post
    My husband and I were able to do so. There was much coupon-cutting, hand-me-downs and the annual garden. We never felt we lacked for anything.

    These days, childcare is very expensive, so we might start seeing a swing back to housewives, aka stay-at-home moms.
    That's fantastic! If the husband earns at least $100,000 a year. All those wives married to losers making less will just have to keep working.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davocrat View Post
    I think you have to be pretty insecure to want to force people into gender roles. And yes, I read "Iron John" in the 80s.
    Absolutely, but just like I can't get into the NBA because I couldn't dunk even with a trampoline, people need to accept their personal limitations. I probably mentioned earlier, I know 1 woman who became a firefighter. To meet the standards, she needed to work out 2 times per day, in weightlifting she was competing nationally, she could run like a beast... But, she qualified to the same standard that the guy next to had to, and I was proud of her.

    When you lower the standards just because you don't want to be sexist literally puts lives at risk otherwise.

    I remember hearing an interview with a special forces guy, on the subject of having women along side. He said, sure, but she better be able to carry her pack and my corpse with her if need be. There might be 10 women in the country that can keep up.

    But, in terms of roles in the home, most people figure what they want to do. Although, biologically speaking, I suspect that it's easier for a woman to take on the stay at home mom role than it is for a man to take on the stay at home dad role... I wouldn't judge if that's the situation that works for a family though.

    I'm all for gender equality of opportunity, but on this issue, I cannot agree on equality of outcome being guaranteed. Can a woman be a firefighter at the male standard? Yes, can any woman who wants? Not without pretty extreme measures... However, when you're talking stem fields, I'd almost say women would have an advantage in those fields.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmanmcfly View Post
    Absolutely, but just like I can't get into the NBA because I couldn't dunk even with a trampoline, people need to accept their personal limitations. I probably mentioned earlier, I know 1 woman who became a firefighter. To meet the standards, she needed to work out 2 times per day, in weightlifting she was competing nationally, she could run like a beast... But, she qualified to the same standard that the guy next to had to, and I was proud of her.

    When you lower the standards just because you don't want to be sexist literally puts lives at risk otherwise.

    I remember hearing an interview with a special forces guy, on the subject of having women along side. He said, sure, but she better be able to carry her pack and my corpse with her if need be. There might be 10 women in the country that can keep up.

    But, in terms of roles in the home, most people figure what they want to do. Although, biologically speaking, I suspect that it's easier for a woman to take on the stay at home mom role than it is for a man to take on the stay at home dad role... I wouldn't judge if that's the situation that works for a family though.

    I'm all for gender equality of opportunity, but on this issue, I cannot agree on equality of outcome being guaranteed. Can a woman be a firefighter at the male standard? Yes, can any woman who wants? Not without pretty extreme measures... However, when you're talking stem fields, I'd almost say women would have an advantage in those fields.
    You are not arguing about traditional gender roles... You are really just bringing up specific examples for the sake of arguing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemonade View Post
    Definitely... It bothers me when people shame women for staying home instead of working, because their are still trying to define them by their gender instead of recognizing they are an individual with individual preferences.
    Actually it is men who shame women tacitly....if it was a respected job, men would do it. Meantime it was feminists who made sure SAHM had good legal protection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmanmcfly View Post
    Absolutely, but just like I can't get into the NBA because I couldn't dunk even with a trampoline, people need to accept their personal limitations. I probably mentioned earlier, I know 1 woman who became a firefighter. To meet the standards, she needed to work out 2 times per day, in weightlifting she was competing nationally, she could run like a beast... But, she qualified to the same standard that the guy next to had to, and I was proud of her.

    When you lower the standards just because you don't want to be sexist literally puts lives at risk otherwise.

    I remember hearing an interview with a special forces guy, on the subject of having women along side. He said, sure, but she better be able to carry her pack and my corpse with her if need be. There might be 10 women in the country that can keep up.

    But, in terms of roles in the home, most people figure what they want to do. Although, biologically speaking, I suspect that it's easier for a woman to take on the stay at home mom role than it is for a man to take on the stay at home dad role... I wouldn't judge if that's the situation that works for a family though.

    I'm all for gender equality of opportunity, but on this issue, I cannot agree on equality of outcome being guaranteed. Can a woman be a firefighter at the male standard? Yes, can any woman who wants? Not without pretty extreme measures... However, when you're talking stem fields, I'd almost say women would have an advantage in those fields.
    The problem was women couldn't even compete before these "feminazis' fought for them. Ever notice how great women are doing in the academies?

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