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    When I married, I couldn't get a credit card without my husband signing,,...and I was a teacher!
    I think socialization from childhood has a big role. I think many men would be wonderful stay at home dads...I don't think men today Are as lucky as women...we can do either and neither is a stigma. Men are becoming more liberated

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    Again, we see the overal Big Lie that the Right believe and Rightwing Media feeds them....and for all different types of "conservatives" .....fiscal conservatives, social conservatives, war hawks, and that segment of the Right who are racists and bigots.....

    it boils down to ONE thing-


    A promise by Republican politicians that if you vote for them?....they'll somehow "bring back the 1950s" (occasionally "1920s" or even "1890s").

    It's taking a bunch of OLD people, who cannot handle Modernity, and promising them a return to the "simple, un-complicated, Andy Griffith Show/Leave It To Beaver" childhoods that they had....or imagined they had.


    Ironically (and hypocritically) this is often done by FEMALE Rightwing pundits....Coulter, Ingraham, Tomi Lahren, etc......who THEY THEMSELVES live and function.....as the stereotype the Right labels as "feminists". Un-married or never-married women who have careers and do NOT "stay home and raise the kids". Or even the married ones like Michelle Malkin.

    They don't live a "traditional gender role"....yet they try to convince other Rightwingers that such a life is not just possible again, but ideal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Isalexi View Post
    I had an interesting discussion with my dad years ago.. I am probably older than all of you here and when I grew up I had three options, be a nurse, be a secretary or be a schoolteacher. The fourth option of course was to get a man to marry me. I went for the teacher option. Many years later years later when I became an activist in the women's movement I said to my father, "I could have been anything and you made me be a teacher" he looked at me and said, "but darling you love teaching "
    He was so right. I loved every minute of it and I probably would have done something else less rewarding. Then my daughter who had the gift of teaching refused to be a teacher after people would say, "you're too bright to be a teacher"So she went into "business" and hated it. Today she is a guidance counselor in high school and absolutely loves it
    I have changed careers 3 times since earning my BBA in the 80's...trying to find the right one. My Dad was the opposite, he wanted law school for me..but I am not the type for that field, he was happy with a Business degree. He also never promoted marriage first...the way he treated my boyfriends before my husband gave me the impression he never wanted to me to get married. LOL No one was good enough for his daughters. By the time I was 24, I had purchased my own home and had not lived at home since I was 21. I was earning my own money since I was 12. I started a lawn business then.
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    My question, why would we ever want to go back to a 50's style patriarchy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HCProf View Post
    My Dad basically told me the same thing. Always be in a position where you can take care of yourself if something happens. He also said, "If you take their money, you will take their shit" LOL I have worked with many stay at home Moms who decided to return to college after the kids were older and employers love them. Stay at home Mom's tend to have a lot of common sense. They are also good decision makers. They also are natural nurturers...which is a great characteristic for healthcare professionals.

    About tradition...what do you think about employers paying bonuses so women can freeze their eggs to use at a later time, after they established their careers? Check this out:

    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/faceb...190900901.html
    Your dad is wise. There are indeed some areas that women can leave and come back to years later but the fact remains that everyone from their entry level years have risen to jobs they themselves are not qualified for having missed the training for 10 to 15 years or more in some cases. It is a serious decision women have to make but whatever they do if that is what they want, hopefully they have backup plans in case the breadwinner is not there or injured in the future. Just make sure they realize the same words of advice your dad gave. It is a scary choice to make.

    As for Apple, sounds like a perk. If so Apple seems to be acting like the economy is stronger and they need perks again - unless they are hoping employees put off having families? (cue in the weird Twilight Zone music) I have no idea as my only real thought is it is an odd perk. LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by Babba View Post
    You poor baby. pat-pat-pat
    You poor, condescending cat lady....pat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GordonGecko View Post
    So your children were lazy?
    Doubtful, conservative parents do not tolerate laziness out of their children. They may be naturally lazy, but with a little gentle persuasion, kids learn to clean up, put away their toys and get dressed for school.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minotaur View Post
    Your dad is wise. There are indeed some areas that women can leave and come back to years later but the fact remains that everyone from their entry level years have risen to jobs they themselves are not qualified for having missed the training for 10 to 15 years or more in some cases. It is a serious decision women have to make but whatever they do if that is what they want, hopefully they have backup plans in case the breadwinner is not there or injured in the future. Just make sure they realize the same words of advice your dad gave. It is a scary choice to make.

    As for Apple, sounds like a perk. If so Apple seems to be acting like the economy is stronger and they need perks again - unless they are hoping employees put off having families? (cue in the weird Twilight Zone music) I have no idea as my only real thought is it is an odd perk. LOL
    I took the Apple perk as they don't want to deal with maternity leave and such and made it possible for their employees to start families at 50 years old with the frozen eggs. (the Twlight Zone music is still playing. )
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    Quote Originally Posted by HCProf View Post
    I took the Apple perk as they don't want to deal with maternity leave and such and made it possible for their employees to start families at 50 years old with the frozen eggs. (the Twlight Zone music is still playing. )
    I'm still enjoying contemplating whether they will extend that to offshore sites like CHINA who only recently raised the one-baby rule. LOL

    That music is getting louder...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Babba View Post
    You can't put toothpaste back in a tube.

    I don't consider men obsolete anymore than women are. So I reject his premise.
    Completely reject his kind of thinking. There is no reason to go back to the days of old.

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