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    Quote Originally Posted by DebateDrone View Post
    Mueller is not associated with the FBI, CIA, nor NSA.

    That is why they also call the Special Prosecutor...an Independent Counsel. He works independently.
    I never said he was.

    I said his investigation ties directly into the subpoenas issued against those agencies by the intelligence committee. Rice already got a subpoena for information. I would hardly call that off the radar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Your list in the OP would beg to differ.

    It all depends on what Mueller wants to do. Remember that this is a criminal investigation. To be non partisan for a minute, I am sure there is enough there to get people on both sides, which he could do if he wants or he could just call it a draw and let everyone off. If he does go for a massive prosecution that is going to be very ugly for the US and take a very long time to work through.

    If he's partisan he could only go after one side I suppose.

    We don't know yet. Right now all we are getting is a bunch of guesses from the media.
    Mueller cannot charge anyone with a crime. He can only recommend charges. He'd need a legitimate law enforcement agency, most likely the FBI, or the full Congress in an impeachment proceeding against that staffer.

    BTW, do you agree, Bannon is the most likely to get arrested & imprisoned?

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    Quote Originally Posted by namvet69 View Post
    I think Kushner will cave under pressure and Flynn will keep trying to work a deal. Then an avalanche of folks trying to save their own asses will fall all over themselves to turn states evidence as it were. I hope both Mueller and the senate committee will hold firm on immunity deals for as few and as low ranking as possible. Under Watergate, it was those deals that screwed up the investigations that should have been able to put far more of them in jail. Lessons have to be taught and learned. This can never happen again.
    I actually think it NEEDS to happen again.

    Despite all the (apparent) wrong-doing, not one member of the US military is dead because of Trump (correct?) So basically, his treason is essentially a matter of international bribe receiving.

    *Ho hum*

    It didn't touch off a Great Recession; it didn't compare to Obama's REFUSAL to enforce any laws against Wall Street; etc.

    If we do not draw a line under it, we will have to listen to "I did it for the white race!" defenses for the next 30 years.

    Make them terrified, drop a body off the rocks, and let's move on, is what I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by namvet69 View Post
    North is a perfect example why immunity deals and the like should not be offered to anyone above the janitor. North got off in the end because of technicalities with testimony earlier in the investigation.

    I hope Mueller is smarter about those things because while it may take longer to get to the truth it will be revealed and without deals, those conspirators can be punished to the fullest.
    Ripples in a pond.

    If we do not allow immunity, pardon or some other form of final conclusions (after a guilty plea, if that makes you feel better), then those around them are confused about whether they are committing crimes themselves just by being in the same room with these twits. Whatever happens, their careers are over, and have ended in disgrace. For powerful, wealthy people that is a severe punishment.

    They have FUBAR'd trade with Mexico, Russia, China, Germany, Saudi Arabia (oil!), and God only knows how many other nations. I think it will cost the US consumer, etc. too much in future if there is a black cloud hanging over the trade deals we do going forward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kmiller1610 View Post
    Susan Rice ...... finally.
    Obama's NSA Director is not going to prison, and if she was the ONLY ONE who did out of this sad affair, it would only whet the public's appetite for Trump's blood.

    Good grief, kmiller! What crime do you think she committed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Yep, if she doesn't turn over the subpoenaed information she will find herself called in to give testimony.

    She has no presidential protection anymore so this is a huge twist to this whole thing.

    What did Mueller find out to be going after her again?
    The POTUS is not her protection. Rice has legal duties to maintain the Top Secret information, etc. she was entrusted with as NSA Director.

    I realize nobody thinks these laws matter anymore, but they do.

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    The subpoenas will never be responded to, is what I think. And odds are, Mueller only issued them so that everyone would feel he was being fair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Yeah, but the American public is not going to be satisfied with just one sacrificial lamb, if that lamb is a Democrat. Now, of course, even if it is Bannon, the investigations may continue.

    Nobody can be certain they WON'T go to prison, if they are criminally liable.

    But I think watching Bannon report for prison would go a long way to making the American public feel the scales had been balanced again.

    I absolutely agree, Trump himself will never be imprisoned. The optics are just so repugnant -- South American juntas put their former presidents in prison.

    Not the US of A.
    So no democrats should be investigated just GOp. More democrat double standard and hypocrisy. Your partu=isan hate blinds you from reality. You would never say this about Obama

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Like I said, it looks like Mueller is casting one helluva large dragnet here.
    That is horrendous news for such people as Scott Pruitt, Director of the EPA and Tom Price, who is the Health & Human Services Secretary.

    When the boss goes rogue and brings all his friends to the party, the corruption spreads like a wildfire. There is no way that these agencies which affect businesses have not involved in at least preliminary discussions of "deals" that will not withstand scrutiny.

    Those preliminary discussions are attempt crimes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post


    Massive investigations that topple presidents are very hard to conclude. And yet, the country needs them to be concluded, on both sides of the aisle. We watched (or possibly learned later, in American History Class?) this about Watergate:

    In the aftermath of Richard Nixon’s resignation, Watergate continued to claim victims.

    The final toll included:

    one presidential resignation

    one vice-presidential resignation – although Agnew’s crimes were unrelated to Watergate

    40 government officials indicted or jailed

    H.R. Haldeman and John Erlichman (White House staff), resigned 30 April 1973, subsequently jailed

    John Dean (White House legal counsel), sacked 30 April 1973, subsequently jailed

    John Mitchell, Attorney-General and Chairman of the Committee to Re-elect the President (CREEP), jailed

    Howard Hunt and G. Gordon Liddy (ex-White House staff), planned the Watergate break-in, both jailed

    Charles Colson, special counsel to the President, jailed

    James McCord (Security Director of CREEP), jailed

    Watergate Casualties and Convictions | Watergate.info
    Great question, But the POTUS in your Post is the wrong POTUS... it should be WHO WILL GO TO PRISON FOR obama.

    The investigation is turning from Collusion between Trump and Russia because there has been no evidence found after 7 months of investigation.

    BUT THEIR HAS BEEN EVIDENCE of Crimes committed by the obama Administration illegally spying on Trump, and other US Citizens, the number is reaching into the 1000s now, possibly 10s of 1000s...

    This is why the Democrats are now saying "No need to have Brennen Testify, or Rice, .... This Shit is backfiring on the Democrats, this is major felonies we are talking about.

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