View Poll Results: Do you think anything earth shattering will result from NSA and FBI directors?

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  • No, one side of the aisle will play it up and the other play it down

    3 27.27%
  • Yes it will show clearly what a liar Trump is

    3 27.27%
  • Both with shy away from saying anything concrete

    0 0%
  • We'll just see a bunch of grandstanding by the politicians asking the questions

    5 45.45%
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    Wow. That's a huge claim you can't possibly prove, driven only by your prejudice. You're trying to muddy the waters--something you do out of tribal loyalty and not because it makes any sense.

    The law isn't about a "line of thinking." The only line of thinking is that the investigatory agencies are independent of the president and the WH. The last president never put himself in the position Trump has done. No president since Nixon has done anything like this.

    I think that a casual comment to a single individual might not constitute obstruction...but saying stuff like this multiple times to multiple people? Any actual attempt to put pressure on the FBI that interferes with an investigation of his cronies is obstruction, by definition. If Trump doesn't know that, he's a fool. But then from the way his tweets undermine everything his administration is trying to do, that's regularly apparent.
    There were Inspector General recommendations to prosecute people like Lois Lerner, officials at the VA and the State Department that were all ignored by the Attorney General it's not a stretch at all. The Justice Department was blatantly politicized by the Obama Administration and they simply never prosecuted cases that were politically sensitive for that Administration. So obstruction is how business has been done for the past few years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macduff View Post
    There were Inspector General recommendations to prosecute people like Lois Lerner, officials at the VA and the State Department that were all ignored by the Attorney General it's not a stretch at all.
    Who obstructed justice? Show us the evidence.
    The Justice Department was blatantly politicized by the Obama Administration and they simply never prosecuted cases that were politically sensitive for that Administration. So obstruction is how business has been done for the past few years.
    Yadda yadda. Show us the evidence of a crime. Better, show us evidence of a crime by the president. You didn't like the decisions--fine, criticize those. But don't compare it to obstruction or pretend that somehow Obama paved the way for Trump by his behavior.

    The IRS controversy went on for a long time, and in all that time there's no suggestion that Obama put pressure on any agency one way or another. The final IG report suggested that there was no provable criminal activity on the part of Lois Lerner. That's the thing about American justice--you have to have evidence.

    It's called "the rule of law," and that's what Trump seems not to believe in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    Who obstructed justice? Show us the evidence. Yadda yadda. Show us the evidence of a crime. Better, show us evidence of a crime by the president. You didn't like the decisions--fine, criticize those. But don't compare it to obstruction or pretend that somehow Obama paved the way for Trump by his behavior.

    The IRS controversy went on for a long time, and in all that time there's no suggestion that Obama put pressure on any agency one way or another. The final IG report suggested that there was no provable criminal activity on the part of Lois Lerner. That's the thing about American justice--you have to have evidence.

    It's called "the rule of law," and that's what Trump seems not to believe in.
    Inspector Generals don't recommend prosecutions just for kicks. We haven't had rule of law for a long time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macduff View Post
    Inspector Generals don't recommend prosecutions just for kicks. We haven't had rule of law for a long time.
    Nonsense. Inspectors general don't prosecute cases. Prosecutors aren't obliged to take their recommendations. If there was substantial evidence of wrongdoing, the GOP congress could have impeached the IRS commissioner, but they didn't. Were they afflicted by the same interference you appear to be suggesting--without evidence--in the Obama administration?

    Lerner may have done something wrong, but prosecutors didn't think they could prove it. This happens all the time. It may even be true of the Trump transition. All of this would be part of the rule of law.

    But Trump tried to quash even the investigation...that's NOT the rule of law.

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