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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    Yes. The constitution exempts the President from criminal indictment. That's why the constitution also provides a political means to remove a President from office via impeachment.
    Actually, no. Exempting the president from criminal indictment does not mean the act is not illegal. Hence the text of U.S. Const. art. II, 4, wherein the president may be removed for (among other things) "high crimes and misdemeanors." If it is not illegal for him to do it, then it is not a crime and the Constitution does not provide for removal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    Actually, no. Exempting the president from criminal indictment does not mean the act is not illegal. Hence the text of U.S. Const. art. II, 4, wherein the president may be removed for (among other things) "high crimes and misdemeanors." If it is not illegal for him to do it, then it is not a crime and the Constitution does not provide for removal.
    OK there, Mr double negative....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Puzzling Evidence View Post
    OK there, Mr double negative....
    Reminds me of a joke I read in Reader's Digest many years ago. A college English professor was expounding upon the use of the negative. In English a double negative is a positive, but there are languages in which a double negative is still a negative; but in no language is a double positive a negative. Kid in the back of the room says, "yeah, right."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    Reminds me of a joke I read in Reader's Digest many years ago. A college English professor was expounding upon the use of the negative. In English a double negative is a positive, but there are languages in which a double negative is still a negative; but in no language is a double positive a negative. Kid in the back of the room says, "yeah, right."
    Wait, you READ that in the Readers' Digest?!??

    I said that! In a class on Anthropological Linguistics I was taking at the University of Colorado in about 1976. Tough, TOUGH class. Most of the students were flunking. Because the professor expected us to be able to go to this recording room, listen on headphones to people talking in Swahili, or Urdu, or Mongolian, and transcribe what they were saying phonetically. I couldn't do it. I mean, I TRIED. Just couldn't do it. Only college class I ever flunked. And it was a REQUIREMENT for my degree in Physical Anthropology. Until they dropped it as a requirement, because almost all the students were flunking!

    Anyway, one day the professor, a real harpy of an old woman, was lecturing, saying that a double negative in English is considered 'gauche', an example of bad grammar, as in 'I don't got no money'. She went on to say that (as you note) there are languages where a double negative is still a negative, but that there is no language in which a double positive is a negative. I was in the middle of the room----about 20 students or so----and I don't know what inspired me, but I DID just blurt out, "Yeah, right!"

    Dead silence for a moment. Then the professor starts GLARING at me, and the rest of the class cracks up. I KNEW then that I was gonna flunk!

    I wonder if someone sent that in to the Readers' Digest! Someone MUST have! I am CLAIMING this story!! That was ME!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    Yes. The constitution exempts the President from criminal indictment. That's why the constitution also provides a political means to remove a President from office via impeachment.
    It doesn't mean it's not illegal, whatever the crime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLeRoy View Post
    Wait, you READ that in the Readers' Digest?!??
    Indeed, in the 1970s. While visiting my grandparents in Florida. They used to keep them lying around, so I read them (primarily for the joke sections).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    Indeed, in the 1970s. While visiting my grandparents in Florida. They used to keep them lying around, so I read them (primarily for the joke sections).
    "Laughter is the best medicine", right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by libertariat720 View Post
    "Laughter is the best medicine", right?
    They also had a section titled 'Campus Comedy'. I wonder if it was in there.

    I tell you, nearly ALL of the other students in that class LOATHED that Professor. So when I blew up her lecture on her, the rest of the class was practically cheering and laughing at the same time. One of them must have sent it in to Readers' Digest! I never KNEW!~

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLeRoy View Post
    They also had a section titled 'Campus Comedy'. I wonder if it was in there.

    I tell you, nearly ALL of the other students in that class LOATHED that Professor. So when I blew up her lecture on her, the rest of the class was practically cheering and laughing at the same time. One of them must have sent it in to Readers' Digest! I never KNEW!~
    And, ironically, even though I flunked that class, I learned a LOT from it, and acquired a lifelong interest in the HISTORY of languages, and in particular the thorny question of the origin of the Indo-European language family.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLeRoy View Post
    They also had a section titled 'Campus Comedy'. I wonder if it was in there.
    It was.
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