View Poll Results: Which is more costly to our society: Government waste or corporate greed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    Pharma and defense are massive job machines in the US. Which is why most of our politicians refuse to cut them in any way. They provide jobs for their districts. That's why its allowed to continue. I mean come on when Sanders was pushing single payer during the campaign we heard people say "its too aggressive what will do with those jobs in the health insurance industry?" Too many will lose their jobs.
    Translation: We must continue to give the bully our lunch money or they might hurt us worse.

    (Predatory businesses should not be allowed to rape the public for any reason!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    Pharma and defense are massive job machines in the US. Which is why most of our politicians refuse to cut them in any way. They provide jobs for their districts. That's why its allowed to continue. I mean come on when Sanders was pushing single payer during the campaign we heard people say "its too aggressive what will do with those jobs in the health insurance industry?" Too many will lose their jobs.
    Funny how there wasn't the same concern about job loss in manufacturing.

    This plan has taken job loss into consideration and addressed it in their proposed legislation.

    http://www.pnhp.org/news/2014/decemb...-got-your-back
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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    Suspect we already do that behind the scenes more than we know. Blackwater has been behind a great deal of overseas conflicts recently. Erik Prince has gotten wealthy off of it, as has Craft International. Who do you think does the CIAs dirty work?
    Yeah, Blackwater is a perfect example of what happens when government services are privatized.

    A U.S. State Department official wrote of Blackwater’s lack of oversight and its “environment full of liability and negligence” well before Blackwater guards killed 17 civilians and injured 20 others in Baghdad’s Nisour Square in September 2007, reports the New York Times.

    Weeks prior to the shooting, the State Department had begun an investigation into the military contractor’s operations in Iraq — but the probe was aborted after Blackwater’s top manager threatened that “he could kill” the government’s chief investigator and “no one could or would do anything about it as we were in Iraq,” according to department reports obtained and published by the Times.

    As tensions over the investigation worsened in August 2007, American embassy officials sided with Blackwater — and officials told State Department investigators to pull out of the probe because it disrupted the embassy’s relationship with the security contractor, according to the report.

    Alarmed, Jean C. Richter, the investigator, wrote a scathing memo to State Department officials on Aug. 31, 2007. “The management structures in place to manage and monitor our contracts in Iraq have become subservient to the contractors themselves,” he wrote of Blackwater.
    Iraq: State Department Was Warned of Blackwater Before 2007 Shooting | Time.com

    KBR is too.

    The largest Iraq war contractor, the one most responsible for feeding and taking care of our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, has committed “negligent homicide” according to an Army investigator. This investigator’s report was leaked to the AP yesterday. KBR, a former division of Halliburton, was deemed responsible for the death of Green Beret Sgt. Ryan D. Maseth, who was electrocuted in Iraq while taking a showed in a KBR maintained shower. At first the death was declared “accidental” by the Army but Maseth’s determined mother, Cheryl Harris, pressed the Army to find out the truth.

    According to the New York Times, the Army has determined that at least 18 American personnel have been electrocuted in Iraq and that the shoddy electrical work has led to hundreds of fires in US military buildings around Iraq. According to the Los Angeles Times, the Army investigator found that KBR used unqualified electricians and plumbers in the barracks where Maseth was killed. An Army spokesman cautioned that this was not the final decision of the Army and that Army lawyers would have to make the determination of negligent homicide and decide if there would be a criminal prosecution.
    Negligent Homicide | HuffPost
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    Quote Originally Posted by labrea View Post
    Funny how there wasn't the same concern about job loss in manufacturing.

    This plan has taken job loss into consideration and addressed it in their proposed legislation.

    http://www.pnhp.org/news/2014/decemb...-got-your-back
    Well of course, they were just a bunch of uneducated people, not PhDs and engineers. Its quite evident our Congress critters in general will do anything to save jobs in pharma, tech, defense or banking even to the point of letting them get away without paying taxes but who cares about factory workers and their jobs being outsourced? That's why we are where we are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    First of all that is not an idea they have.

    Reducing government regulation is not the same as wanting to privatize everything.

    And you have to admit that the government fails miserably in many things it controls.

    Look at the success of private industry who has now entered the space business, they are doing things far quicker and cheaper then NASA was in some areas.
    Yes, in some areas.

    Spookycolt----who has me on IGNORE----should get back to you guys when he has an example of a private corporation sending a space probe whizzing past Pluto and on into the unexplored regions of the Kuiper Belt..........
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    Privatisation only forces prices up. Do not believe the rhetoric about 'conflict of interest' or 'competition will bring prices down'. They are lies. Privatisation of utilities especially forces prices up.

    The Australian experiment is a fine example of privatisation gone haywire, as the cost of energy & water has become ludicrous in that country. The politicians on the left made all sorts of lovely claims when they absolved themselves of any responsibility, but they turned out to be nothing but lies. Power costs in Australia make California look cheap, and one can only blame the government and its zeal to shed responsibility.

    As to government wastage. How many businesses rely on this for income? How many businesses have the government as their largest customer? When the government goes on an austerity drive, businesses fold. The government is the biggest consumer in any country and the economy often relies on this.

    Corporate greed is a problem as many companies filter profits offshore in order to avoid taxation. This hole in revenue needs to be plugged by every nation.
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