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Thread: Are humans predisposed to criminality and violence

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    Penn Jillette Rapes All the Women He Wants To

    The question I get asked by religious people all the time is, without God, what’s to stop me from raping all I want? And my answer is: I do rape all I want. And the amount I want is zero. And I do murder all I want, and the amount I want is zero. The fact that these people think that if they didn’t have this person watching over them that they would go on killing, raping rampages is the most self-damning thing I can imagine. I don't want to do that. Right now, without any god, I don't want to jump across this table and strangle you. I have no desire to strangle you. I have no desire to flip you over and rape you.

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    Like you, I have NO desire to rape anyone. But I have fantasized about being raped, by a squad of Japanese cheerleaders, in plaid skirts and purple panties.

    That was sexual fantasy #137,412.

    I number them, so that I can remember the really good ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Babba View Post
    Most people had firearms for hunting. And they could be used for self-defense or even murder, of course. But many towns in the old West would confiscate firearms within the town limits.
    What a bunch of flaming liberals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    True but that goes away with stress and pressure. If people are starving or cold they wont be empathetic. Survival does kick in.
    And yet poor people give more to the poor as a percentage of what they have than the rich.

    It's not news anymore, but it's still a surprise: the poor are more generous than the rich. "For decades, surveys have shown that upper-income Americans ... are particularly undistinguished as givers when compared with the poor.... lower-income Americans give proportionally more of their incomes to charity than do upper-income Americans." (See, "The Charitable-Giving Divide" in Sunday's New York Times Magazine.)

    A PhD candidate at Berkeley, Paul Piff, recently repeated that finding - and more: "lower-income people were more generous, charitable, trusting and helpful to others than were those with more wealth. They were more attuned to the needs of others and more committed generally to the values of egalitarianism."

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...-more-generous
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    That's Hamburg, right now. "Protesters" are looting stores... Yes, human are predisposed to this shit. Not all. But far too many.

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    I think 'Natural Law' governs most humans just fine....not all, but most.

    I have a very difficult time believing we enter the world with an instinctive desire to rape, rob, defraud, assault and murder other humans. To believe that would, in my opinion, mean parents throughout history were/are naturally equipped with highly specialized child rearing skills that would ignore or override their own natural antisocial/psychopathic tendencies in order to impart something altogether foreign to their children. But that wouldn't account for the millions upon millions of perfectly civilized, empathetic, law abiding humans who were reared in less than ideal, even totally dysfunctional circumstances where such highly specialized skills may not exist.

    In other words, I think Thomas Hobbes was wrong. I don't believe humans are inherently bad or evil and requiring of 'strong' governmental oversight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by webrockk View Post
    I think 'Natural Law' governs most humans just fine....not all, but most.

    I have a very difficult time believing we enter the world with an instinctive desire to rape, rob, defraud, assault and murder other humans. To believe that would, in my opinion, mean parents throughout history were/are naturally equipped with highly specialized child rearing skills that would ignore or override their own natural antisocial/psychopathic tendencies in order to impart something altogether foreign to their children. But that wouldn't account for the millions upon millions of perfectly civilized, empathetic, law abiding humans who were reared in less than ideal, even totally dysfunctional circumstances where such highly specialized skills may not exist.

    In other words, I think Thomas Hobbes was wrong. I don't believe humans are inherently bad or evil and requiring of 'strong' governmental oversight.
    James Madison: No government would be necessary, if men were angels.

    Humans may not be inherently evil-----I AGREE with you on that-----but neither are they angels. SOME government IS necessary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLeRoy View Post
    James Madison: No government would be necessary, if men were angels.

    Humans may not be inherently evil-----I AGREE with you on that-----but neither are they angels. SOME government IS necessary.
    Just now quite as much as some people seem to want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Just now quite as much as some people seem to want.
    I share Madison's philosophy of limited government. You also find it in Adam Smith, who influenced many of our Founding Fathers.

    But it's also important to understand that they were NOT anarchists.

    George Washington: The purpose of government is to find the happy medium between tyranny on the one hand, and anarchy on the other.

    A PERFECT summation by our first President.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLeRoy View Post
    I share Madison's philosophy of limited government. You also find it in Adam Smith, who influenced many of our Founding Fathers.

    But it's also important to understand that they were NOT anarchists.

    George Washington: The purpose of government is to find the happy medium between tyranny on the one hand, and anarchy on the other.

    A PERFECT summation by our first President.
    Exactly. Anarchy is not freedom, but rule of the strongest. Government is necessary, as stated in the Declaration of Independence, to protect freedom. Since one of the threats to freedom is the same government that is charged with protecting it, we have a separation of powers to ensure that no one entity gets too much power.

    All of that is part of the 8th. grade civics class of course, but we adults still seem to forget how important it is. All too many want the government to do everything, and want the executive branch to actually have as much power as the voters ascribe to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    All too many want the government to do everything, and want the executive branch to actually have as much power as the voters ascribe to it.
    And, of course, the same people seem to want the power of the police to be unlimited.

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