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Thread: Are humans predisposed to criminality and violence

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    Are humans predisposed to criminality and violence

    Something I was talking about with a friend, she is a psychologist. Why we could never, with all the crackdowns and prisons and even executions, eliminate criminality among the humanity.

    Because we are naturally disposed towards it. If put in a situation where we can freely commit crimes without consequences, I believe majority of us would do so.

    Best example for me, is Donbass, East Ukraine, back in 2014 and 2015.

    Social order over there had completely broken down.

    The pro-Russian rioters were burning down Ukrainian police stations


    And many of the police themselves had either deserted and simply fled; or joined the new separatist militias


    There was no real government, and now law anymore.

    Today, many locals who joined the militias and many Russians also who went over there back in those years to fight, would tell you it was all out of pure brotherly solidarity and patriotism and whatnot.

    But, the reality is quite different.

    The Russians especially, they came in big, well armed groups, and they took over and stayed in some of the best houses in Donetsk or Lugansk, the luxurious mansions formerly belonging to local oligarchs



    They "pressed away" (took by force) nice cars from their local owners

    There were whole markets started up, on the other side of the border, in Rostov, where those guys were selling off cars from Donetsk and Lugansk...

    Others, they gave away as gifts to new local girlfriends


    Basically, it was the rule of the gun.

    If you had an AK, you were somebody who mattered. If you also had a dozen friends with you, also with AKs, you were Tsar and God, you could do whatever the fuck you want. Go into any store or any people's own fucking house, kick down the door, and just fucking take whatever you want. Even take someone's wife or daughter, if you want... Because, who could stop you? Nobody. Just like in the Middle East, Libya, Syria, whatever...

    It makes animals out of men, you know? Such power and impunity... But, my opinion is, they were animals already, to begin with. This is why they went there in the first place, not the lofty ideals.

    Best proof: by late 2015, the separatists began very seriously punishing looters and plunderers, because the leaders saw that it was gonna turn local civilians against them, after awhile

    A fighter apparently guilty of looting is tied to a pole, and people are clearly allowed to beat him, you can see bruises on his face. The sign hanging off him reads: "I am a marauder (looter). I beat up and robbed my compatriots."

    I even read of supposed executions of looters and such by firing squads...

    By early 2016, they established their own police

    Began upholding some sort of basic law and order.

    Lo and behold: recruitment went much down in Russia, volunteers. Brotherhood and all that is awesome. But, no spoils of war means no incentive for boys to go to that war...

    I believe it's similar with ISIS and other such recruitment. Spiritual or political ideals are not enough.

    It's all basic human nature...

    But, what do you all think? Let me ask like this: would you commit crimes, you knew there was nobody to stop you or bring you to justice? Poll is anonymous, don't worry lol

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    I think we are basically savage. Humans are just animals and behave as such-some have mitigating circumstances and some don't. All legal & social constraints must be imposed in order to maintain a civilised society, and punitive measures are the current response to such behaviour. Religion no doubt evolved as a social constraint by the imposition of morality through threat, however, education has destroyed the power of the churches.

    Addressing why people turn to crime would be the most logical solution, but we are more 'reactive' than 'proactive' in that area.

    Would I commit crimes if there were no constraints? Yes, but I must qualify that with traffic 'offences' only, as I don't harm people physically or their property.

    But if the road is long and straight with bugger all people on it, then Hell Yeah!
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    Penn Jillette Rapes All the Women He Wants To

    The question I get asked by religious people all the time is, without God, what’s to stop me from raping all I want? And my answer is: I do rape all I want. And the amount I want is zero. And I do murder all I want, and the amount I want is zero. The fact that these people think that if they didn’t have this person watching over them that they would go on killing, raping rampages is the most self-damning thing I can imagine. I don't want to do that. Right now, without any god, I don't want to jump across this table and strangle you. I have no desire to strangle you. I have no desire to flip you over and rape you.

    <click the link above to read more>
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    Anyone just reading that headline probably got a low opinion of Penn Jillette. And we know there are those that won't bother to read the article.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    Anyone just reading that headline probably got a low opinion of Penn Jillette. And we know there are those that won't bother to read the article.
    That is a fair point. I shall edit.
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    If nobody was going to stop you than it wouldn't really be a crime because society hasn't attributed a punishment to that action.

    Morals and ethics are human constructs, they do not inherently exist.

    Outside of religious beliefs if that is your thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blues63 View Post
    I think we are basically savage. Humans are just animals and behave as such-some have mitigating circumstances and some don't. All legal & social constraints must be imposed in order to maintain a civilised society, and punitive measures are the current response to such behaviour. Religion no doubt evolved as a social constraint by the imposition of morality through threat, however, education has destroyed the power of the churches.

    Addressing why people turn to crime would be the most logical solution, but we are more 'reactive' than 'proactive' in that area.

    Would I commit crimes if there were no constraints? Yes, but I must qualify that with traffic 'offences' only, as I don't harm people physically or their property.

    But if the road is long and straight with bugger all people on it, then Hell Yeah!

    Agree we are just basically civilized animals. But take away our creature comforts and food supply and watch how violent we become. Survival of the fittest kicks in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    Agree we are just basically civilized animals. But take away our creature comforts and food supply and watch how violent we become. Survival of the fittest kicks in.
    Yep, go to a Black Friday at Walmart if you want to see an example of our inherent nature.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    Agree we are just basically civilized animals. But take away our creature comforts and food supply and watch how violent we become. Survival of the fittest kicks in.
    Compassion, and the ability to be empathetic are also part of human nature.
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    Mentally stable humans only become violent in response to certain circumstances. Yes, if society breaks down some will use violence in order to obtain what they need to survive. And some will use violence to gain dominance.
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