View Poll Results: If Trump is convicted of crimes should he serve time in prison?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    There is no argument that a former president can be convicted and inprisoned for crimes.
    There is some legal question about the same for a sitting President.

    This topic is asking for your opinion, not a legal argument.
    That is my opinion. Ken Starr argued that a sitting President could be indicted but no President has.

    I go by precedent. What has happened is the mostly likely path...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Why?
    It is a very likely issue to arise....the only question is how long it will take.
    My poll is to uncover the mood of the people, not the likelihood of it happening.
    In logic, we call this a "divisible question." It's like asking someone when he stop beating his wife.

    Why not stick to questions of his guilt (which we don't mostly have yet) before jumping to sentencing?

    You really should stop behaving in ways you would find unfair if they were applied to someone you like. It's hypocrisy (and childish).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    In logic, we call this a "divisible question." It's like asking someone when he stop beating his wife.

    Why not stick to questions of his guilt (which we don't mostly have yet) before jumping to sentencing?

    You really should stop behaving in ways you would find unfair if they were applied to someone you like. It's hypocrisy (and childish).
    With Mueller investigating Trump's entire business empire for years back....as well as collusion with Russia already revealed, it's a fair question to ask and I started the poll question with an "If."

    Why is this question beyond discussion....in your opinion?
    Last edited by Devil505; 3rd September 2017 at 08:09 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    With Mueller investigating Trump's entire business empire for years back....as well as collusion with Russia already revealed, it's a fair question to ask and I started the poll question with an "If."

    Why is this question beyond discussion....in your opinion?
    Tell me, Devil, should you go to jail for the sexual assault of children? I'm told you're being investigated for it.

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    That's why.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    Tell me, Devil, should you go to jail for the sexual assault of children? I'm told you're being investigated for it.

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    That's why.
    If there were House and Senate committees and a special prosecutor looking at credible evidence that I had done that, why wouldn't that be a legitimate opinion question?

    There is already much evidence in existence that Trump and his campaign did collude with Russia.
    As a matter of fact I would argue that a prima facie case already exists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    If there were House and Senate committees and a special prosecutor looking at credible evidence that I had done that, why wouldn't that be a legitimate opinion question?

    There is already much evidence in existence that Trump and his campaign did collude with Russia.
    As a matter of fact I would argue that a prima facia case already exists.
    No, it doesn't. It won't exist until and unless the Special Prosecutor presents such evidence and charges him. I only hope Trump will get more presumption of innocence from the law than he's gotten from you in this thread. In the words of Robert Bolt, from A Man for All Seasons:
    Roper: So now you'd give the Devil benefit of law!
    More: Yes. What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil?
    Roper: I'd cut down every law in England to do that!
    More: Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned round on you — where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country's planted thick with laws from coast to coast — man's laws, not God's — and if you cut them down — and you're just the man to do it — d'you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I'd give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety's sake.
    And in another place:
    More: I will not take the oath. I will not tell you why I will not.
    Norfolk: Then your reasons must be treasonable!
    More: Not "must be;" may be.
    Norfolk: It's a fair assumption!
    More: The law requires more than an assumption; the law requires a fact.
    The law requires more than an assumption--the law requires a fact. You are acting as if the facts are in when they haven't even been presented to us.

    It's just as fair to bandy about questions of your punishment for crimes with which you have not been charged.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    No, it doesn't. It won't exist until and unless the Special Prosecutor presents such evidence and charges him. I only hope Trump will get more presumption of innocence from the law than he's gotten from you in this thread. In the words of Robert Bolt, from A Man for All Seasons: And in another place: The law requires more than an assumption--the law requires a fact. You are acting as if the facts are in when they haven't even been presented to us.

    It's just as fair to bandy about questions of your punishment for crimes with which you have not been charged.
    Again....the poll question's first word was "If."

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    I thought it was a mistake that Nixon was pardoned. It is very much like the president is above the law and that's just not the way things are intended to be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Whether state (beyond presidential pardon power) or federal.
    If Trump were to be impeached, say for obstruction of justice for example, it would be best to simply leave it there. A trial would be a huge circus, would detract attention from real problems facing the nation. Moreover, Trump would no doubt be pardoned by President Pence anyway.

    If, by some unusual turn of events, he were to wind up in prison, his supporters would call him a political prisoner and would rally behind another populist with crazy ideas, and perhaps be able to elect that person president.

    No, I have no ill will for Donald Trump. I wish the electorate hadn't been so foolish as to have elected him president, but what's done is done. He won the election, even if it was "rigged" as he repeatedly said it was. Let him go back to building skyscrapers in Russia and hosting reality TV. He was pretty good at that, after all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Again....the poll question's first word was "If."
    That's a bullshit answer. You can say "if" about anything. It's still childish bullshit, unworthy of a poster here (and certainly of a former LE officer).

    Again, should you go to jail for your many heinous crimes?

    The problem here is that your thread points out the weakness of your position. You can't talk anymore about whether Trump is GUILTY of any crime because we've run out of publicly identified evidence. So, to keep the anti-Trump vitriol going, you want to talk about his possible punishment.

    It's childish bullshit. It's exactly the sort of thing I'd expect to see in Breitbart. When I see someone on my side doing shit like that, I'm calling it out.

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