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    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    If Trump were to be impeached, say for obstruction of justice for example, it would be best to simply leave it there. A trial would be a huge circus, would detract attention from real problems facing the nation. Moreover, Trump would no doubt be pardoned by President Pence anyway.

    If, by some unusual turn of events, he were to wind up in prison, his supporters would call him a political prisoner and would rally behind another populist with crazy ideas, and perhaps be able to elect that person president.

    No, I have no ill will for Donald Trump. I wish the electorate hadn't been so foolish as to have elected him president, but what's done is done. He won the election, even if it was "rigged" as he repeatedly said it was. Let him go back to building skyscrapers in Russia and hosting reality TV. He was pretty good at that, after all.
    The average person - or even celebrities - wouldn't get away without a trial if prosecutors had evidence of criminal activity just because it would be a huge circus. If the president is out of office there is no reason the country couldn't continue to function. Why should a president be immune from prosecution for any crimes he commits?

    As to whether we should be speculating about this, I think the time to think about it and discuss it is now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    From you link:

    Treason
    The betrayal of one's own country by waging war against it or by consciously or purposely acting to aid its enemies.


    Aiding Putin would be treason in my book and something a jury might want to consider.
    It's a stretch granted......but who knows what Mueller has?
    Does Russia meet the legal definition for enemy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief View Post
    What crimes?
    He's ugly, narcissistic, and he lied during the campaign. He's racist, sexist and opportunistic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief View Post
    Does Russia meet the legal definition for enemy?
    This is interesting, though.

    18 U.S. Code § 953 - Private correspondence with foreign governments

    Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

    This section shall not abridge the right of a citizen to apply, himself or his agent, to any foreign government or the agents thereof for redress of any injury which he may have sustained from such government or any of its agents or subjects.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Humorme View Post
    He's ugly, narcissistic, and he lied during the campaign. He's racist, sexist and opportunistic.
    Can you reference where its unlawful to be ugly?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Agreed on both points and Trump is getting fair treatment under our laws.
    Discussing "What if" questions on a private debate forum does not take away Trump's rights.
    I didn't claim you were "taking away his rights." You can't do that, since you are no longer an LE officer. Neither can I. Nothing we do here can take away his rights.

    I said what you are doing is illegitimate and childish. We're Americans, and as Americans we should honor our country's traditions in our debates. We'd object strongly to conservatives saying the same things about a liberal president we liked, so what you're doing now is also objectionable.

    Let's stick to discussing whether he might be guilty of a crime. If we can't do that, we should just have patience. Moving to an inherently illegitimate discussion--one that assumes his guilt--is at a minimum premature and at most, libel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Babba View Post
    This is interesting, though.

    18 U.S. Code § 953 - Private correspondence with foreign governments

    Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

    This section shall not abridge the right of a citizen to apply, himself or his agent, to any foreign government or the agents thereof for redress of any injury which he may have sustained from such government or any of its agents or subjects.
    I see how it can be related in a way... but are elections: "disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States"? I am wondering if "measure" means something more specific. I'm out of time though... time for me to go to the grocery store with my 2 little monkeys. Wish me luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief View Post
    go to the grocery store with my 2 little monkeys. Wish me luck.
    Good luck. Careful in the check out line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief View Post
    Does Russia meet the legal definition for enemy?
    That question is above my pay grade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief View Post
    Can you reference where its unlawful to be ugly?

    (Gawd i hope not.....!!!)

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