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    Quote Originally Posted by bmanmcfly View Post
    Now, is the us justified in doing so, yes.
    No. Neither would Canada be justified in engaging in a preemptive military attack against another nation. No nation would.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    "Would" be a glass parking lot. Of course, that assumes that lil' Rocket Man is genuinely an idiot.

    I am opposed on principal to preemptive military strikes based only upon fear of what an adversarial nation might do.
    As we all should be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    Not to mention the US citizens living in South Korea.
    And Guam.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HCProf View Post
    And Guam.
    Yeah, I have relatives who've lived there.

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    It would be a stupifyingly dumbass move.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    No. Neither would Canada be justified in engaging in a preemptive military attack against another nation. No nation would.
    I wouldn't say its never justified.

    If you know for certain you are about to be attacked than by all means, hit first.

    However the optics on a first strike here go completely to NK, making them the victims.

    We have permission from China to level them if they hit us first and as was pointed out earlier, we can take a hit or two from them.

    There's even a chance we wouldn't have to do anything, China may swoop in, dispose of Kim and his regime and simply claim NK as their own. It will give them a chance to test out all their new toys also.

    But yeah, this is definitely not a first strike opportunity for us.

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    neo republicans seem to like the notion of being the aggressor, then claiming "defense".....

    There is a reason the term "defense" is always narrowly defined....I have confidence that intelligent, thoughtful, thinking people know why, but I am not concerned about them. I am concerned about those that think "defense" is hitting first, when they have neither been hit, nor have any evidence a blow underway towards them.

    It is rather ironic that the same people that define Amendment II as their personal right to defend themselves and that "law abiding citizens" would be hurt by gun control, yet promote the idea that other nations should not be able to keep an bear arms in their own defense....because they just know, if they have those arms.....they will be used to hurt somebody.......

    Guess what.....The only nation in the world to date to use nuclear weapons on human beings, is US!!!!! Based on the definition some use to define dangerous nations or regimes.......we would top the list, as the most dangerous.... Instead of tossing the science of nuclear bomb technology into the incinerator and dedicating our power to seeing to it that others never had a chance to develop it......we took the technology we feared Hitler would develop and use against humanity and finished what he started, then did, what we feared he would do..... A preemptive strike on NK, would be no different.....

    Unfortunately reality does not work that way. If we strike first, we not only throw the entire world into a tizzy (if you're worried about jobs and/or your retirement, say tootaloo (the world economies will be a mess)} Love your children and grandchildren?......say goodbye to some of them and to anything close to the life you had, for them........not to mention who's going to blame whom and who in the history of humanity is the only nation to ever actually USE nukes on human beings, as well as empower all the hardliners in Iran, MORE than Trump has already done.

    These nations want to level the playing field so they have the same "deterrent" power we're always claiming for ourselves.

    Would it be a surprise that our mad man head of state pushes the button before their's? Will claiming we had to kill tens of thousands of people in an instant to save human beings, work again? Will murderers begin to use that as a basis for their defense in court?

    Do people even think of anything beyond flexing muscles and the narrow sphere of "winning" in a very short term, while losing in the much wider and longer term?

    Why do too many Americans not think of these things? Is it too many have been taught that hard work is the only virtue, working hard to become intelligent, informed and thoughtful, is too hard? Is it that it takes too much work to become intelligent and informed enough to think on one's own? Does it take too much courage to have empathy for human beings, instead of allegiances to patriotic symbols and military uniforms? Does it take too much courage to care about someone besides one's self or to think in terms of what if that was my daughter, son or spouse or any loved one or friend?

    Does it take too much courage to NOT see EVERYTHING in terms of political right or left and simply, DO the right thing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bmanmcfly View Post
    Now, is the us justified in doing so, yes.

    Should it happen? That's a tough call... Should have been done 10-20 years ago, before the nukes entered the equation.

    Pro:
    - they have stated their intention to attack the us
    - the represent a credible threat to the world
    - will provide a real opportunity for reunification

    Cons:
    - it will near certainly be nuclear
    - there will be a high chance of massive casualties
    - it risks escalating beyond North Korea

    I'm sure more could be added to both sides, but ultimately, the question isn't so much an IF question, but a WHEN question.
    What’s the justification?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KnotaFrayed View Post
    neo republicans seem to like the notion of being the aggressor, then claiming "defense".....

    There is a reason the term "defense" is always narrowly defined....I have confidence that intelligent, thoughtful, thinking people know why, but I am not concerned about them. I am concerned about those that think "defense" is hitting first, when they have neither been hit, nor have any evidence a blow underway towards them.

    It is rather ironic that the same people that define Amendment II as their personal right to defend themselves and that "law abiding citizens" would be hurt by gun control, yet promote the idea that other nations should not be able to keep an bear arms in their own defense....because they just know, if they have those arms.....they will be used to hurt somebody.......

    Guess what.....The only nation in the world to date to use nuclear weapons on human beings, is US!!!!! Based on the definition some use to define dangerous nations or regimes.......we would top the list, as the most dangerous.... Instead of tossing the science of nuclear bomb technology into the incinerator and dedicating our power to seeing to it that others never had a chance to develop it......we took the technology we feared Hitler would develop and use against humanity and finished what he started, then did, what we feared he would do..... A preemptive strike on NK, would be no different.....

    Unfortunately reality does not work that way. If we strike first, we not only throw the entire world into a tizzy (if you're worried about jobs and/or your retirement, say tootaloo (the world economies will be a mess)} Love your children and grandchildren?......say goodbye to some of them and to anything close to the life you had, for them........not to mention who's going to blame whom and who in the history of humanity is the only nation to ever actually USE nukes on human beings, as well as empower all the hardliners in Iran, MORE than Trump has already done.

    These nations want to level the playing field so they have the same "deterrent" power we're always claiming for ourselves.

    Would it be a surprise that our mad man head of state pushes the button before their's? Will claiming we had to kill tens of thousands of people in an instant to save human beings, work again? Will murderers begin to use that as a basis for their defense in court?

    Do people even think of anything beyond flexing muscles and the narrow sphere of "winning" in a very short term, while losing in the much wider and longer term?
    Its called the Bush Doctrine, its what Obama followed and probably the next few presidents will.

    We live in a new world after 9/11 so tactics need to adapt.

    Its a solid policy but just not correct for every situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Knuckles View Post
    What’s the justification?
    Nuclear annihilation of one of our cities and millions of lives lost.

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