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    If Trump preemptively pardons Russiagate suspects.....is that Obstruction of Justice?

    I say yes because he would be trying to stop an investigation probably leading to himself.
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    I say no.

    Because it is a remedy allowed by the Constitution. Article II, Section 2, Clause 1

    Thank God for the WH Turkey. ...the feathered one, not the other.

    Other Turkeys Trump may pardon

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    Quote Originally Posted by DebateDrone View Post
    I say no.

    Because it is a remedy allowed by the Constitution. Article II, Section 2, Clause 1

    Thank God for the WH Turkey. ...the feathered one, not the other.
    But the use of that section by a president/co-conspirator would be corrupt and an attempt to obstruct justice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    But the use of that section by a president/co-conspirator would be corrupt and an attempt to obstruct justice.
    If Trump were found to be a co-conspirator, unfortunately his pardons before that determination would not be retroactively null and void.

    If Trump made massive pardons during being adjudicated...then those pardons could ...maybe challenged.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    I say yes because he would be trying to stop an investigation probably leading to himself.
    Remember anyone HE 'PREEMPTIVELY' PARDONS is subject to prosecution as they have 'admitted guilt' to get the pardon. Interesting twist huh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    I say yes because he would be trying to stop an investigation probably leading to himself.
    They can still investigate and likely will, it doesn't change anything except for the punishment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cpicturetaker12 View Post
    Remember anyone HE 'PREEMPTIVELY' PARDONS is subject to prosecution as they have 'admitted guilt' to get the pardon. Interesting twist huh?
    Not necessarily.

    Trump could issue a blanket pardon which doesn't specify a crime, it only says "in case a crime was committed".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    They can still investigate and likely will, it doesn't change anything except for the punishment.
    What would change is a charge of OoJ being filed against Trump for corruptly using his pardon power to hide his guilt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DebateDrone View Post
    If Trump were found to be a co-conspirator, unfortunately his pardons before that determination would not be retroactively null and void.

    If Trump made massive pardons during being adjudicated...then those pardons could ...maybe challenged.
    If Trump felt that was a risk he could add himself to the pardon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DebateDrone View Post
    If Trump made massive pardons during being adjudicated...then those pardons could ...maybe challenged.
    There presently is no way to challenge a presidential pardon.
    Funny how this problem only appears when we elect criminal Republican presidents.
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