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    How fucking stupid are we?

    Trump pays no income tax and we elected him because he says he's smarter than us.

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    I was doing much better (after the Great Recession UNDER BUSH) before Trump was elected and certainly my investments have continued to do well, but it is due to the HOPIUM of tax cuts. I have been through the same several times in the past, always to have tax cuts and dropped regulations and more free for all ending in some sort of recession, the last one, the worst.

    It is for these reasons I LEFT the Republican Party when it became the neo republican party and as many Republicans have pointed out, became the party of spend and NO TAX (BORROW) to pay for the spending and "dergulation" based on the notion that less government means a better society, when a "government" such as ours is perhaps more directly proportionate to the values and attitudes of "we the people" and how we treat one another. When there is more corruption, trashing of many things, including the environment and people ripping their fellow Americans off, those being ripped off call for more regulation to prevent it. Those affected by things like trashing and polluting of the environment (they live in) by people who only care about profits, call for regulation to prevent it. Those only concerned with getting rich, no matter who or what they roll over or destroy in the process, have been behind the pushes to deregulate and allow them to profit, without accountability for how they do so, especially when it involves trashing people and the environment.

    THE WAY WE LIVE NOW: 6-8-03; Deficits and Dysfunction - The New York Times

    Trump really has not done much to affect the economy, but to make promises to and get elected. The stock market was already on the rise as was employment. The ACA has NOT been repealed or replaced and for all the attempts to cripple it, it still exists and helps many have access to insurance. No tax cuts have been passed, as yet, but no doubt there is hopium they will be passed and what then? There is NO history that trickle down (VOODOO) economics has worked, but to further enrich the already rich.

    Trump could have tested corporate "patriotism" by introducing a law that requires a majority of any corporation registered in an American state, to be American citizens. That would likely force himself to bring the manufacture of many of his own and his daughter's products home.

    How many corporations would choose to stay American registered corporations and that would mean what, in terms of support to an "America First" "philosophy" or value? How many would be "loyal" to their nation, how many would be loyal to Mammon? Corporations are not formed or founded to fail, but that would not be the plan and there are many corporations and businesses in America that hire ONLY Americans that do not fail and some thrive.

    Who does not want a tax cut? The problem is, a tax cut does not amount to much for those who really need them and for those that do not need them they amount to huge amounts, which those people do NOT historically, use to create more jobs, nor spend additionally to the point they support an economy that needs massive numbers of transactions and amounts of commerce to be sustained, much less grow.

    There is also something not right with the picture of being so against deficit spending and national debt, while at the same time, promoting and supporting tax cuts. It's similar to going out and buying an expensive new car or house, then telling your boss to pay you less, because he needs the money more than you do and expecting that that or he, is going to somehow help you pay your added debt.

    If there is a "Trump effect" on the stock market, it is about inflating values so more profits can be taken at a lower tax rate. Once that initial wave is past, there is no further pent up reason to realize gains at a lower tax rate. When everyone who is going to cash out because of a lower tax rate, then reinvest (rather than spend), what happens to the stock market? There is no real benefit to further inflation of its values and the effects of the "hopium" will have worn off. If deregulation causes things like another housing bubble (whether or not it occurs in housing or some other sector) and that bubble pops, as it did in 2007 into 2008, what then? Time to blame the Democrats and start the cycle all over again?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Babylon View Post
    Oh! Are my taxes going down? Do tell..
    Why will a simpler tax system with a doubled standard deduction answer lower rates not benefit you?

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    I was doing much better (after the Great Recession UNDER BUSH) before Trump was elected and certainly my investments have continued to do well, but it is due to the HOPIUM of tax cuts. I have been through the same several times in the past, always to have tax cuts and dropped regulations and more free for all ending in some sort of recession, the last one, the worst.

    It is for these reasons I LEFT the Republican Party when it became the neo republican party and as many Republicans have pointed out, became the party of spend and NO TAX (BORROW) to pay for the spending and "dergulation" based on the notion that less government means a better society, when a "government" such as ours is perhaps more directly proportionate to the values and attitudes of "we the people" and how we treat one another. When there is more corruption, trashing of many things, including the environment and people ripping their fellow Americans off, those being ripped off call for more regulation to prevent it. Those affected by things like trashing and polluting of the environment (they live in) by people who only care about profits, call for regulation to prevent it. Those only concerned with getting rich, no matter who or what they roll over or destroy in the process, have been behind the pushes to deregulate and allow them to profit, without accountability for how they do so, especially when it involves trashing people and the environment.

    THE WAY WE LIVE NOW: 6-8-03; Deficits and Dysfunction - The New York Times

    Trump really has not done much to affect the economy, but to make promises to and get elected. The stock market was already on the rise as was employment. The ACA has NOT been repealed or replaced and for all the attempts to cripple it, it still exists and helps many have access to insurance. No tax cuts have been passed, as yet, but no doubt there is hopium they will be passed and what then? There is NO history that trickle down (VOODOO) economics has worked, but to further enrich the already rich.

    Trump could have tested corporate "patriotism" by introducing a law that requires a majority of any corporation registered in an American state, to be American citizens. That would likely force himself to bring the manufacture of many of his own and his daughter's products home.

    How many corporations would choose to stay American registered corporations and that would mean what, in terms of support to an "America First" "philosophy" or value? How many would be "loyal" to their nation, how many would be loyal to Mammon? Corporations are not formed or founded to fail, but that would not be the plan and there are many corporations and businesses in America that hire ONLY Americans that do not fail and some thrive.

    Who does not want a tax cut? The problem is, a tax cut does not amount to much for those who really need them and for those that do not need them they amount to huge amounts, which those people do NOT historically, use to create more jobs, nor spend additionally to the point they support an economy that needs massive numbers of transactions and amounts of commerce to be sustained, much less grow.

    There is also something not right with the picture of being so against deficit spending and national debt, while at the same time, promoting and supporting tax cuts. It's similar to going out and buying an expensive new car or house, then telling your boss to pay you less, because he needs the money more than you do and expecting that that or he, is going to somehow help you pay your added debt.

    If there is a "Trump effect" on the stock market, it is about inflating values so more profits can be taken at a lower tax rate. Once that initial wave is past, there is no further pent up reason to realize gains at a lower tax rate. When everyone who is going to cash out because of a lower tax rate, then reinvest (rather than spend), what happens to the stock market? There is no real benefit to further inflation of its values and the effects of the "hopium" will have worn off. If deregulation causes things like another housing bubble (whether or not it occurs in housing or some other sector) and that bubble pops, as it did in 2007 into 2008, what then? Time to blame the Democrats and start the cycle all over again?
    Did you oppose Obama's 2012 tax cuts?

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