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    Veteran Member Devil505's Avatar
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    Should our President be above the law?

    Not looking for legal arguments here but rather common-sense opinions about what this country stands for.

    Some Republican Presidents and their supporters argue that a sitting president should be treated as if he was a king and is not subject to the laws the founding fathers envisioned for everyone.

    What say you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Not looking for legal arguments here but rather common-sense opinions about what this country stands for.

    Some Republican Presidents and their supporters argue that a sitting president should be treated as if he was a king and is not subject to the laws the founding fathers envisioned for everyone.

    What say you?
    The right thinks of themselves as Subjects instead of Citizens.
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    Section. 2.

    The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.

    He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments.

    The President shall have Power to fill up all Vacancies that may happen during the Recess of the Senate, by granting Commissions which shall expire at the End of their next Session.

    Section. 3.

    He shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such Measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient; he may, on extraordinary Occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in Case of Disagreement between them, with Respect to the Time of Adjournment, he may adjourn them to such Time as he shall think proper; he shall receive Ambassadors and other public Ministers; he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed, and shall Commission all the Officers of the United States.

    Section. 4.

    The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.

    Article III.

    Section. 1.

    The judicial Power of the United States shall be vested in one supreme Court, and in such inferior Courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish. The Judges, both of the supreme and inferior Courts, shall hold their Offices during good Behaviour, and shall, at stated Times, receive for their Services a Compensation, which shall not be diminished during their Continuance in Office.

    Section. 2.

    The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority;--to all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls;--to all Cases of admiralty and maritime Jurisdiction;--to Controversies to which the United States shall be a Party;--to Controversies between two or more States;-between a State and Citizens of another State;--between Citizens of different States; --between Citizens of the same State claiming Lands under Grants of different States, and between a State, or the Citizens thereof, and foreign States, Citizens or Subjects.

    In all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, and those in which a State shall be Party, the supreme Court shall have original Jurisdiction. In all the other Cases before mentioned, the supreme Court shall have appellate Jurisdiction, both as to Law and Fact, with such Exceptions, and under such Regulations as the Congress shall make.

    The Trial of all Crimes, except in Cases of Impeachment, shall be by Jury; and such Trial shall be held in the State where the said Crimes shall have been committed; but when not committed within any State, the Trial shall be at such Place or Places as the Congress may by Law have directed.
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    I've never really had a problem with our chief executive being immune from criminal prosecution while in office, since competing political factions serving under a chief executive could otherwise abuse police power.

    Then again, I would have never imagined that the American people would elect such a fucking moron as Donald Trump to the office of the presidency.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    I've never really had a problem with our chief executive being immune from criminal prosecution while in office, since competing political factions serving under a chief executive could otherwise abuse police power.

    Then again, I would have never imagined that the American people would elect such a fucking moron as Donald Trump to the office of the presidency.
    We now live in a country where an entire political party is complicit in the criminal activities of its president and we can no longer trust the congress to be a check and balance on his abuses of power and felonies since that party controls it as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    We now live in a country where an entire political party is complicit in the criminal activities of its president and we can no longer trust the congress to be a check and balance on his abuses of power and felonies since that party controls it as well.
    I agree. They hold most of the judgeships as well. They've been politically successful, in spite of their horrific record regarding actual governance.
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    Not, in any democratic, civilised society.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    Not, in any democratic, civilised society.
    We may not be one any longer. Time will tell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    We may not be one any longer. Time will tell.
    You know, the first decree Putin signed, when he took office in 2000? Continued full immunity for a former President and his family. Yeltsin (and, at least in theory) Gorbachev too, got protection, for all the crap they pulled in office. Should have been a sign, right there, where the country was heading, but people were too stupid to see it...
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    You know, the first decree Putin signed, when he took office in 2000? Continued full immunity for a former President and his family. Yeltsin (and, at least in theory) Gorbachev too, got protection, for all the crap they pulled in office. Should have been a sign, right there, where the country was heading, but people were too stupid to see it...
    In spite of the invitation, I'll refrain from Godwining this thread.
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