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    So far we seem to overwhelmingly agree that a president has 5th amendment rights but no right to remain president if he uses it.
    I agree and that was the point of the poll.

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    During an impeachment trial, am pretty sure the action of "pleading the 5th" by a sitting president would be taken into consideration by the jurors. Human nature. Wouldn't look good.

    But an impeachment conviction is the criteria for removing an elected president. That Constitutional law thingy prevails....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    So far we seem to overwhelmingly agree that a president has 5th amendment rights but no right to remain president if he uses it.
    I agree and that was the point of the poll.
    Who said that we overwhelmingly agree to that premise? You posted a poll question with answers that were designed to throw out more Trump hatred. What has your little poll changed? Nothing, Donald J Trump is still the President of the United States, and there really is nothing that you can do about it. I know that has to really burn your ass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pragmatic View Post
    During an impeachment trial, am pretty sure the action of "pleading the 5th" by a sitting president would be taken into consideration by the jurors. Human nature. Wouldn't look good.

    But an impeachment conviction is the criteria for removing an elected president. That Constitutional law thingy prevails....
    Jurors, are specifically told that a defendant taking the 5th Amendment is not inferring guilt. In the case of the Senate hearing an impeachment, the senators are mostly lawyers. They understand this, already. Besides, the Democrats have already shown us that even blatant perjury is not enough to remove a sitting president from office.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    Who said that we overwhelmingly agree to that premise? You posted a poll question with answers that were designed to throw out more Trump hatred. What has your little poll changed? Nothing, Donald J Trump is still the President of the United States, and there really is nothing that you can do about it. I know that has to really burn your ass.
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    NOPE! Not about his job or even GETTING HIS JOB!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pragmatic View Post
    During an impeachment trial, am pretty sure the action of "pleading the 5th" by a sitting president would be taken into consideration by the jurors. Human nature. Wouldn't look good.
    And since it would not be a criminal trial, his silence could be construed against him. (But only at the impeachment trial before the Senate, not in any criminal proceeding that might follow removal.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    Jurors, are specifically told that a defendant taking the 5th Amendment is not inferring guilt. In the case of the Senate hearing an impeachment, the senators are mostly lawyers. They understand this, already. Besides, the Democrats have already shown us that even blatant perjury is not enough to remove a sitting president from office.
    Careful! Nixon didn't think his PARDON conferred guilt! HE WAS WRONG! Ford carried a piece of folded up paper around IN HIS WALLET with the rules of pardon for years including ADMISSION OF GUILT if one was given a pardon.

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    After leaving office in 1977, Ford carried in his wallet a copy of Burdick v. United States, a 1915 U.S. Supreme Court decision which found that a pardon reflected a presumption of guilt and that the acceptance of a pardon was tantamount to a confession.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cpicturetaker12 View Post
    Careful! Nixon didn't think his PARDON conferred guilt! HE WAS WRONG! Ford carried a piece of folded up paper around IN HIS WALLET with the rules of pardon for years including ADMISSION OF GUILT if one was given a pardon.

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    After leaving office in 1977, Ford carried in his wallet a copy of Burdick v. United States, a 1915 U.S. Supreme Court decision which found that a pardon reflected a presumption of guilt and that the acceptance of a pardon was tantamount to a confession.
    Does that mean that every coward who ran from the Vietnam War was guilty? After all, they were all pardoned by President Jimmy Carter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    Does that mean that every coward who ran from the Vietnam War was guilty? After all, they were all pardoned by President Jimmy Carter.
    Psst......Trump was one of those cowards.
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