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Thread: Who is mainly to blame for the recent HS shooting?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    So your comfortable leaving the safety of you family up to someone who wants to kill many innocent people but knows how to plan the attack and escape?
    How about we make it even easier for these nut by selling hand grenades at Walmart?......Landmines at Dick's sporting goods?.....small nukes at Home Depot?
    How does this idiotic post even remotely address the fact that the criminal is the only one responsible for the shooting?
    Last edited by soupnazi; 16th February 2018 at 02:51 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    So your comfortable leaving the safety of you family up to someone who wants to kill many innocent people but knows how to plan the attack and escape?
    How about we make it even easier for these nut by selling hand grenades at Walmart?......Landmines at Dick's sporting goods?.....small nukes at Home Depot?
    Huh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by soupnazi View Post
    He also specifically chose a soft target.

    He would not have done what he did in a police station. Or shooting range, or gun show, or bank, or any place where there is tight security and people are able to shoot back.

    He did this specifically to try an inflict maximum carnage with as little chance of opposition as possible.

    He is the only one responsible.
    And what's more like the little fucking coward he is, when he was confronted by armed police he immediately surrendered. If he was insane, he would have tried something and hopefully died in pain on the spot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macduff View Post
    And what's more like the little fucking coward he is, when he was confronted by armed police he immediately surrendered. If he was insane, he would have tried something and hopefully died in pain on the spot.
    I hear this excuse from various people often in relation to many crimes.

    For example child abuse. There is a school of thought that it is passed on from one generation to another and therefore abusers cannot help themselves. This is of course absurd as they never abuse their kids in direct line of sight of a cop or even in public.

    They make such choices because they KNOW it is wrong and therefore they can help themselves because they CHOOSE the time and place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    I say Congress with assists from Trump and voters.
    Cruz is responsible, he was not insane. I agree with Macduff that he knew right from wrong. He was not psychotic.I have been following what has been published about him and his actions. He posted on twitter what he wanted to become, a killer. He planned the attack complete with a location which was a school building not attached to the other buildings making it easier to plan his entrance and escape and avoid being ambushed, he purchased the equipment to carry out his plan (gun, gas mask, smoke bombs). He executed a plan, pulled the fire alarm and planned an escape (he walked out blending in with the other students). Not the sharpest knife in the shed in that he didn't account for camera's that would identify him or survivors to point him out.

    The FBI had everything they needed to stop him over a month from the time he posted his goal in life to become a school shooter. Somehow the system failed and they didn't take a report from someone that actually knew him and was afraid he was going to do something. I blame Cruz for carrying out the attack and the FBI office in Florida or whatever office ended up with the warning for not stopping him. They could have taken the kid off the street and at the very least confiscate his guns and put him in a mental institution for 72 hours. If he said to them he wanted to shot up a school then I would agree the kid was nuts but we didn't get that chance. As far as I am concerned he wasn't nuts given that lack of confirmation and all the rest that points to someone that knew what he was doing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by soupnazi View Post
    Criminally insane or not he is the only one responsible.

    Massive and total thread failure
    Trump riling his base is a major factor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eve1 View Post
    Cruz is responsible, he was not insane. I agree with Macduff that he knew right from wrong. He was not psychotic.I have been following what has been published about him and his actions. He posted on twitter what he wanted to become, a killer. He planned the attack complete with a location which was a school building not attached to the other buildings making it easier to plan his entrance and escape and avoid being ambushed, he purchased the equipment to carry out his plan (gun, gas mask, smoke bombs). He executed a plan, pulled the fire alarm and planned an escape (he walked out blending in with the other students). Not the sharpest knife in the shed in that he didn't account for camera's that would identify him or survivors to point him out.

    The FBI had everything they needed to stop him over a month from the time he posted his goal in life to become a school shooter. Somehow the system failed and they didn't take a report from someone that actually knew him and was afraid he was going to do something. I blame Cruz for carrying out the attack and the FBI office in Florida or whatever office ended up with the warning for not stopping him. They could have taken the kid off the street and at the very least confiscate his guns and put him in a mental institution for 72 hours. If he said to them he wanted to shot up a school then I would agree the kid was nuts but we didn't get that chance. As far as I am concerned he wasn't nuts given that lack of confirmation and all the rest that points to someone that knew what he was doing.
    I think law enforcement has a lot to answer for here. But it's a mistake to ultimately blame anyone but that cowardly piece of garbage wrapped in skin who did the shooting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    I say Congress with assists from Trump and voters.
    Nope.
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    Nikolas Cruz.
    Yep.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Macduff View Post
    I think law enforcement has a lot to answer for here. But it's a mistake to ultimately blame anyone but that cowardly piece of garbage wrapped in skin who did the shooting.
    The next school shooter is practicing right now with his AR15 and bundles of high capacity magazines.that he bought legally.
    We'll continue this conversation very soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    The next school shooter is practicing right now with his AR15 and bundles of high capacity magazines.that he bought legally.
    We'll continue this conversation very soon.
    What conversation? The never ending scramble to find someone to blame? That isn't a conversation. That's inaction disguised as action.
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