View Poll Results: What are rights?

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  • Religious rights that make others do something

    0 0%
  • A right that someone has to employee you

    0 0%
  • A right for someone to provide your food

    0 0%
  • A right to make people listen to you

    0 0%
  • A right shut other people up

    1 10.00%
  • The right to a standard of living

    0 0%
  • Other rights not yet covered

    9 90.00%
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blueneck View Post
    Also "the right to do want the fuck you want with your own body" which doesn't currently exist.
    Thats because all of our rights come with consequences or limitations. Freedom of speech doesnt mean you are free of the consequences from that speech. You can say what you want, but you could risk getting fired or expelled from it. Guns, as we have seen, have had limitation. "Bad people" or felons arent supposed to have them. Same thing with confiscation of personal property. Fail to pay taxes or get in legal trouble and they come and take it from you. Interesting discussion, one that always makes me wonder what the founding fathers would say. Would they be happy with all this? Or did they really mean total freedom no matter what?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparta View Post
    See that's called a "false equivalency", you do not have a right to affordable guns, nor are you denied a right to healthcare.
    My argument is that you should have a "Right" to affordable HC at birth and absent involvement in a militia, one should have no 2nd amendment right to keep and bear arms.
    HC should be paid for via taxes just like we pay the military to protect us from fgn invasion.

    Four SCOTUS justices got this right in Heller but 5 voted party lines and got it wrong.
    It will be reversed.
    Last edited by Devil505; 6th April 2018 at 06:22 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fenrir View Post
    You left out the "option" to be sucked dry by the oligarchs who own, operate, and generally use the inhabitants of this country like some sort of petting zoo for fun and profit.

    Yeah, put that option in and I'll be able to vote.
    You actually want that option? Isn't that the option people chose when they elected a narcissistic, greedy, gluttonous adulterous billionaire (as opposed to mere millionaires, who actually did show their tax returns) who has a life history of ripping people off, to the Oval Office? What? You think just because he claims he's a good guy, that you should ignore all the people he has nominated to his cabinet that fit your description and calls them "great people", until he fires them for not bowing down to him, as if he were king?


    When did so many Americans trade in their brains for mush?

    Rights are meaningless unless they are mutual and people extend every right they would like for themselves, to all others. As already is the case, if people abuse their rights or do not extend the rights they want for themselves to others, they may lose their own rights.
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    Quote Originally Posted by a777pilot View Post
    Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

    That about covers it.
    Ambiguous, but yeah... and none of that requires someone else to do something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief View Post
    If someone flips off another can they be fired or not? Is their job a "right"?

    If a military man goes on a mobilization, does he have the right to bring 5000 bibles to pass out while he's deployed?

    Is a person shouting down another trying to talk a protected right?

    Is a living wage a right?

    I see people bring things like this up... so I am asking straight out if some folks think some of these should be rights.

    Provocative thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    HC is a righting paid for in every industrialized nation on earth.....except the U.S.

    I saw no rights listed but first we have to decide what a "Right" is?


    Edit: In football the winner of a flip of the coin decides which team has the right to either receive or kick off.
    See what I mean?
    I think a disqualifier of a right is if it impedes on another.

    As an example: If a person has a right to free speech, that should not mean that a book publisher is required to publish the aforementioned person's book. And if the book publisher turns that first person down, the first person's free speech has not been compromised.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief View Post
    I am wondering what everyone believes they are entitled to. We all have some familiarity with the Bill of Rights, so I'll leave that stuff out... but what other rights do we have?

    *edit* I should have added health care. My bad.
    None of those listed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    Rights provide nothing more than the minimum standard of treatment that a society considers allowable toward a fellow human being.

    Privileges are where it's at.
    Well rights are something that we believe a person has without regard to law. We don't believe that we need to write a law that states a person has the right to live, for example. A privilege that the government extends to us, the government can later take from us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by One View Post
    Good list.
    But in this digital age, most of those things, sadly, are dead.
    We just need to be better about determining what we leave offline.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief View Post
    I think a disqualifier of a right is if it impedes on another.

    As an example: If a person has a right to free speech, that should not mean that a book publisher is required to publish the aforementioned person's book. And if the book publisher turns that first person down, the first person's free speech has not been compromised.
    How about a mass shooter using his 2nd A right to deprive hundreds of their lives in a matter of minutes?

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