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  • Religious rights that make others do something

    0 0%
  • A right that someone has to employee you

    0 0%
  • A right for someone to provide your food

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  • A right to make people listen to you

    0 0%
  • A right shut other people up

    1 10.00%
  • The right to a standard of living

    0 0%
  • Other rights not yet covered

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    Quote Originally Posted by pragmatic View Post
    Access to beer belongs in here somewhere.

    (didn't see it listed....)
    Heineken is awesome in Saint Martin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blues63 View Post
    Whatever I'm allowed by a given administration wherever I may be at a given time.
    No, no, no. You have rights that cannot be given or taken away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    How about a mass shooter using his 2nd A right to deprive hundreds of their lives in a matter of minutes?
    Under those circumstances, he's exceeded the scope of that right. His 2A right ends at the point it interferes with the rights of others (to live, breath, not be physically harmed.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by KnotaFrayed View Post
    Once born and a physically separate entity from another human being we should all have a right to life, (that should include access to the same sort of health care everyone gets) a right to pursue life and happiness (along with 7.? other billion people in the world), a right to a minimum level and standard of education as a child and young adult as an equal jumping off point to pursue (or not) additional education, but not be left without enough education to secure meaningful employment, a right to some fair proportionate wage or income, relative to one's employer. A right to being told the truth, fairness, justice and equal rights and the same protection under the law that everyone else has, as long as we all respect one another and realize our pursuit of happiness might not exactly match what someone else's is and where they conflict, find a way to work it out, without depriving people of life and liberty or their depriving us, of the same.

    It would be nice of these "rights" did not have to be enumerated in any way shape or form and people had the capacity to see why such things and interactions with others should be mutual as a part of supporting one another's rights and the existence of such rights, by volunteering to do so, in mutual exchange. You scratch my back and I'll scratch yours, could be said to have two meanings or interpretations. Some will see the cliche as representative of those who are corrupt. Others will see it as part of an ethic of reciprocity, that only includes honest and equitable exchanges for all, not as something that would suggest two or more collude to screw someone and split to profits or where someone returns unethical and illegal favors for someone "looking the other way" when one party does something illegal or unethical.

    Ain't no rights for most people, if their society is rife with the corrupt and unethical or even those unwilling to compromise and work together with others to conclude an issue so life can move on, even if the issue is revisited at a later date, in order to come up with a final resolution.

    Mainly, it would seem that perhaps the most important right any of us should have is to have others, do unto us as they would have them do unto themselves and that we do the same. Then we might realize that if we don't like people being a pain in the butt to us or treating us like crap, then they probably feel the same way we do and don't like us treating them like crap or being a pain in the butt to them. We're gonna have to compromise, like most people in the world, already do, daily and with most of the interactions with others. That means greed ain't gonna work so well and but for the greedy, most people have already figured that out.

    One might suggest that being born, might mean you have a right to be here and that would mean every person born in the world has just as much right to be here as we do and perhaps the only right we really should have, is a right to get along with everyone else or a right to work out our differences in a peaceful manner.

    The problem with "rights" is that there are too many people that want everyone to respect their rights, even as they don't give a damn about anyone else's rights and without mutual respect for rights and some level of universal values that apply not just to others, but to us as well, rights don't really mean a thing, because people trample the rights of others, all the time, sometimes in very deadly ways.
    Your post has plenty of thought in it as always. A nice read.

    I disagree with the last sentence though. Its not a problem of rights that people don't give a damn about others rights. Its a people problem that they don't respect each other, and that they don't really understand what their rights are. I suggest that a person's rights are only directed at that person and can't compel someone else to do something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnflesh View Post
    Party. And I'll fight for that right.
    As I get older that fight is put on hold earlier and earlier, as I go to bed earlier and earlier. :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blueneck View Post
    Also "the right to do want the fuck you want with your own body" which doesn't currently exist.
    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    Thats because all of our rights come with consequences or limitations. Freedom of speech doesnt mean you are free of the consequences from that speech. You can say what you want, but you could risk getting fired or expelled from it. Guns, as we have seen, have had limitation. "Bad people" or felons arent supposed to have them. Same thing with confiscation of personal property. Fail to pay taxes or get in legal trouble and they come and take it from you. Interesting discussion, one that always makes me wonder what the founding fathers would say. Would they be happy with all this? Or did they really mean total freedom no matter what?
    Pretty sure BN is referring to the abortion issue, here.

    Which is genuinely a challenging debate. The "rights" of the host/mother versus the rights of the fetus. And/or whether that fetus should have any rights at all.

    The mother does not have the right to terminate the infant the day after it is born. Should she have that right/privilege on the day before the infant is born? Or a week before? Or a month before. Three months?


    Both sides of that issue have some valid points. With lots of areas where "degree matters". Won't be resolved in my lifetime...
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    Quote Originally Posted by DebateDrone View Post
    The Right to shut other people up is my greatest right.
    And that is a great thing to discuss... how does the first amendment work when you have two people trying to talk over each other?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparta View Post
    Interesting topic, particularly with autonomous vehicles coming into play and every corporations apparent desire to have everything delivered to us. I think the future could be incompatible with freedom of movement.
    I had not thought about it... but if we get to the point where all driving is automated, we can all be tracked, all the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    There's a problem with a country in which carrying a gun is a right but access to affordable healthcare is a privilege.
    There is no reason to compare the two. Its not like you have to hold up a hospital to get care. But you can argue that healthcare should be a right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief View Post
    I had not thought about it... but if we get to the point where all driving is automated, we can all be tracked, all the time.
    I'd argue we already are, compliments of our telephonic implants....er.... smart phones.
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