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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    Thats always a hard one for me. I would like to think healthcare needs to be a right, but then what about a warm, safe place to live? General well being also means staying warm, having something to eat as well. Because as we know if we grow up eating poorly our health suffers.
    I think most societies will move in that direction. Eventually the civilized nations will provide a citizen wage because there simply aren't enough decent paying jobs to go around and that's only going to get worse as technology advances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Babba View Post
    I think most societies will move in that direction. Eventually the civilized nations will provide a citizen wage because there simply aren't enough decent paying jobs to go around and that's only going to get worse as technology advances.
    Possibly. But I think to make healthcare a right an amendment would be needed. Just like we did for women voting.
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    "Right," as in the government ought not be able to impede your access to it absent a compelling governmental interest (and then, only via a narrowly tailored approach)?

    Or "Right," as in the government should pay for/provide it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    Possibly. But I think to make healthcare a right an amendment would be needed. Just like we did for women voting.
    I would say that is true. it also needs funding to be a part of that amendment - or at least a funding formula. benefits cost money, and they need to be payed for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Libertine View Post
    You and buy all the health care and guns you want.

    You don't need a special license or privilege to buy health care.
    You just need money.
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    I do believe that every American citizen or resident has the right to access to needed health care. No one should face bankruptcy due to health needs. Such should be assured through some form of a government safety net. That said, I continue to value personal freedom and no one should be forced into an exclusive government program if they have the means and resources to provide for themselves. Contribute to the safety net, yes-forced participation-no.

    If one examines mandated single payer systems, two factors are consistent. One, there will always be a two tiered system. Those with the resources will find a means outside the system, only fewer people will have those resources. Two, at some point, the system will outstrip its ability to be financed. The typical responses are two fold. Using the Canadian model, some level of privatization will be introduced. Using the European model, health care services will be more strictly controlled. It will be labelled as medical necessity determinations or insufficient prognosis value, but it will be that ugly word-rationing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rev. Hellh0und View Post
    Rights are not things you compel others to give you.
    Government could take away your "right" to own a gun, so I guess gun ownership is not a right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    Thats always a hard one for me. I would like to think healthcare needs to be a right, but then what about a warm, safe place to live? General well being also means staying warm, having something to eat as well. Because as we know if we grow up eating poorly our health suffers.
    It really depends on the kind of country you want to live in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wonderer View Post
    "Right," as in the government ought not be able to impede your access to it absent a compelling governmental interest (and then, only via a narrowly tailored approach)?

    Or "Right," as in the government should pay for/provide it?
    Right in the sense that government should make access possible for its citizens when the free market fails to do so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheWahoo View Post
    I do believe that every American citizen or resident has the right to access to needed health care. No one should face bankruptcy due to health needs. Such should be assured through some form of a government safety net. That said, I continue to value personal freedom and no one should be forced into an exclusive government program if they have the means and resources to provide for themselves. Contribute to the safety net, yes-forced participation-no.

    If one examines mandated single payer systems, two factors are consistent. One, there will always be a two tiered system. Those with the resources will find a means outside the system, only fewer people will have those resources. Two, at some point, the system will outstrip its ability to be financed. The typical responses are two fold. Using the Canadian model, some level of privatization will be introduced. Using the European model, health care services will be more strictly controlled. It will be labelled as medical necessity determinations or insufficient prognosis value, but it will be that ugly word-rationing.
    So then you dont believe insurance providers determine what care is necessary, or covered.

    Can you name one potential flaw in a single payer system that doesnt already exist in our current system?

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