View Poll Results: Should access to affordable healthcare be a right in this country?

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    In this country, if you are poor, you have the right to die in the street.
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    Quote Originally Posted by labrea View Post
    Right in the sense that government should make access possible for its citizens when the free market fails to do so.
    Well, my question was directed towards Devil, since it's his poll. But taking your definition (which is closest to my second definition), I'd answer, "No." But primarily because of the way the question is phrased. I don't object to a safety net provided by the government (as The Wahoo) alluded. But that's an "entitlement."
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGaffer View Post
    In this country, if you are poor, you have the right to die in the street.
    Actually, you have that right even if you're filthy rich.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    This is the only industrial country on earth where owning a gun is a right but HC is a privilege.
    As it is and as it should be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by labrea View Post
    So then you dont believe insurance providers determine what care is necessary, or covered.

    Can you name one potential flaw in a single payer system that doesnt already exist in our current system?
    Under a single payer system, HSA's may or may not be allowed. With HSA resources one's medical needs could be totally a doctor/patient relationship. Under a single payer system there would be no competition regarding coverage availability or covered services. Under such a system, people not needing maternity or family coverage would be forced to purchase it, in a manner of speaking. Absolutely, no coverage provider has better gatekeepers than do the government programs. Commercial payers can increase premiums for those willing to pay for additional coverage, when financed solely by taxpayer dollars such flexibility will not exist. Amendments to Medicare are in debate due to financing difficulties and Medicaid is bankrupting State treasures, currently.

    Another factor is payment levels. Medicare payments currently only cover costs as defined by the program, not true typical business costs and Medicaid payments don't even cover those defined costs. Many don't understand that the higher commercial payments are subsidizing the low government payments. Without such subsidization, controlling services will become even more critical.

    I have had multiple discussions with multiple physicians. While they do have concerns regarding payments, their major concern is the final destruction of the patient/doctor relationship. Ultimately, I return to the value of personal freedom in this Country, the right to provide for yourself if you have the capability. Additionally, why should taxpayers pay for the services of those that have the resources to care for themselves and wish to do so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by a777pilot View Post
    As it is and as it should be.
    guess that makes you both right and privileged - a minority in this country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wonderer View Post
    Well, my question was directed towards Devil, since it's his poll. But taking your definition (which is closest to my second definition), I'd answer, "No." But primarily because of the way the question is phrased. I don't object to a safety net provided by the government (as The Wahoo) alluded. But that's an "entitlement."
    Its an entitlement unless we decide its a right.

    This stuff aint written in stone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by labrea View Post
    Its an entitlement unless we decide its a right.

    This stuff aint written in stone.
    and, using that same logic, what is a right today could be a privilege tomorrow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by a777pilot View Post
    As it is and as it should be.
    Bullshit!
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheWahoo View Post
    Under a single payer system, HSA's may or may not be allowed. With HSA resources one's medical needs could be totally a doctor/patient relationship. Under a single payer system there would be no competition regarding coverage availability or covered services. Under such a system, people not needing maternity or family coverage would be forced to purchase it, in a manner of speaking. Absolutely, no coverage provider has better gatekeepers than do the government programs. Commercial payers can increase premiums for those willing to pay for additional coverage, when financed solely by taxpayer dollars such flexibility will not exist. Amendments to Medicare are in debate due to financing difficulties and Medicaid is bankrupting State treasures, currently.

    Another factor is payment levels. Medicare payments currently only cover costs as defined by the program, not true typical business costs and Medicaid payments don't even cover those defined costs. Many don't understand that the higher commercial payments are subsidizing the low government payments. Without such subsidization, controlling services will become even more critical.

    I have had multiple discussions with multiple physicians. While they do have concerns regarding payments, their major concern is the final destruction of the patient/doctor relationship. Ultimately, I return to the value of personal freedom in this Country, the right to provide for yourself if you have the capability.
    Our system is so screwy that I doubt anyone knows "the true cost" of medical services. For instance:

    How much does a colonoscopy cost? Well, that depends.

    If you’re uninsured, this is a big question. We’ve learned that cash or self-pay prices can range from $600 to over $5,400, so it pays to ask.

    How Much Is My Colonoscopy Going to Cost? $600? $5,400? | THCB
    Thinking about getting a hip replacement, but worried about the cost? Hip replacement surgery, anesthesia, and a 4-day hospital stay are estimated to cost about $22,500 and can be as much as $126,000.1,2

    https://www.arthritis-health.com/blo...ip-replacement
    A knee replacement surgery could cost $17k or $61k. And that’s in the same city.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.57846a45457c
    So tell me, what is the real cost?

    in one way or another, each person alive in the US today has most likely benefited from maternity care.

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