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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    No. My argument is that we shouldn't go on a reactionary mission to toss out long established presidential powers simply because we elected a bunch of bigoted extreme right-wing nationalists to our Congress and our White House. The presidential powers aren't the problem. Our current President and congressional majorities are the problem.
    I see no cost/benefit reason to keep presidential pardons.

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    There is a simple solution. Out-vote the assholes.
    To slow.
    Dangerous criminal Presidents can't continue to be unchecked for 4 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    I see no cost/benefit reason to keep presidential pardons.

    To slow.
    Dangerous criminal Presidents can't continue to be unchecked for 4 years.

    Fine. We can agree to disagree. It's not as if either of us have the power to change the law anyway -- although we do have the power to vote, and too many of us fail to wield that power effectively.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    I see no benefit in allowing a prez to have any pardon power at all.
    https://www.congress.gov/resources/d...eralist+Papers

    See Federalist #74 in particular (which discusses the power directly), but also ##47 and 69, in which it has some mention.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    https://www.congress.gov/resources/d...eralist+Papers

    See Federalist #74 in particular (which discusses the power directly), but also ##47 and 69, in which it has some mention.
    There's a very good chance that Trump would not have won the EC without the criminal assistance of a fgn power and any pardons he issues should be null and void as he hasn't earned that authority legally.

    In any case, I see no reason why one person should have the authority to overrule the courts and juries decision about any case.

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    Looking at the result so far I wonder if any votes would change if Clinton was POTUS Right Now. (bet your ass they would)



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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Right now it has nor restrictions.
    Nope. The present policy has worked out up until now.

    Changing the rules (Constitutional?) just because you really hate Trump and Republicans would be sort of inappropriate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    We have the mechanisms in place to deal with such abuses. Our form of government didn't cause the problem that we now face with a criminal President and an enabling Congress. We voted for this shit. The American electorate is what broke our nation, and only the American electorate can repair the damage.
    I disagree. The antiquated system whereby one person's vote counts more than another's is what broke our nation. Twice. Once, the black guy fixed it. This time? I'm not so sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pragmatic View Post
    Nope. The present policy has worked out up until now.

    Changing the rules (Constitutional?) just because you really hate Trump and Republicans would be sort of inappropriate.
    Not when we face the 2nd possible COTUS crisis at the hands of a criminal GOP POTUS who's party now refuses to agree that no one is above the law and believe in party over country.

    There are no Barry Goldwaters in today's GOP!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pragmatic View Post
    Nope. The present policy has worked out up until now.

    Changing the rules (Constitutional?) just because you really hate Trump and Republicans would be sort of inappropriate.
    How about changing the rules because they are subject to abuse by criminal presidents? Is that better?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Not when we face the 2nd possible COTUS crisis at the hands of a criminal GOP POTUS who's party now refuses to agree that no one is above the law and believe in party over country.

    There are no Barry Goldwaters in today's GOP!
    Scooter Libbey's pardon translates to a Constitutional Crisis??

    Seems a little hyperbolic on your part.

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