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    Veteran Member Devil505's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    Um ... what?
    Where there's a will there's a way.

    If a majority of voters agreed that the pardon power needs to be curbed I'm sure smart lawyers could get the job done somehow.
    The law is what the SCOTUS says it is.

    In other words...noting is impossible in the law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    If a majority of voters agreed that the pardon power needs to be curbed I'm sure smart lawyers could get the job done somehow.
    Only by amending the Constitution, and you need substantially more than a simple majority for that.

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    The power to grant pardon is a very old institution which monarchs had over the centuries. It was often a way for the king to have his will prevailing or a way to repair wrong doings made at a lower level in systems in which a balance of power was not really thought of like in democracies. However the right of granting pardon survived to the collapse of royalties and you find it in the USA, France and many other democratic countries. And what is the aim of this institution ? Is it political or should focus on judicial situation which are shocking in their results according to common sense and what the population feels ? If it is political it is dangerous, because it gives a power to one or a group of persons not to respect the rule of law in favor of individuals who broke it, were condemend and areclose to the ones who hold power. If it is to repair absurdities of the judicial system it is different and the chief of state, when granting pardon, tries to reach a higher level, a more universal justice and fights the flaws of the system impossible to completely avoid. That way he is a bit like was a old time regime monarch representative of God on the Earth, but it can be a function to pardon and review what is obviously wrong. To give you a good example of pardon the King of France Louis the XVth had to deal with the Duke of Charost who had killed someone and it was legally impossible to prosecute him for whatsoever reasons. So the Duke was presented to the King who told him, I cannot do anything against you, but know, that if someone murders you, I will pardon him. Of course if you pardon someone who killed for you when who wanted to get rid of an opponent, the situaiton is quite different ! So the right to pardon should be limited and its exercise founded on some principles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    Only by amending the Constitution, and you need substantially more than a simple majority for that.
    I was just a little high and venting that night.

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