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Thread: In consideration of the divide in this nation regarding gun control which would you

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    Registered at the federal level. We have unfettered transit between states, so state-level registration is insufficient. And in many states, we DO bring our cars in for inspection every year. I'm saying that gun owners should be required to have each weapon accounted for once every two years.
    Never happen. States have a lot of power. We dont have federal driving licenses and thats a far easier thing to accomplish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    We dont have federal driving licenses and thats a far easier thing to accomplish.
    Actually we do.
    You must have one to drive a government vehicle.

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    We dont even require states to report all information to the national database for purchasing a firearm. Some states report very little.

    "Under the 10th Amendment the federal government cannot compel individual states to submit records of prohibited persons."

    http://thehill.com/opinion/national-...se-for-firearm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Actually we do.
    You must have one to drive a government vehicle.
    Mr. Devil,

    You didn't really think that would fly, did you?

    https://www.gsa.gov/directives-libra...adm-p-extended

    CHAPTER 3. MOTOR VEHICLE OPERATOR REQUIREMENTS

    5. Operator requirements. The basic requirements for all operator categories as rescribed by 5 CFR 930.105 are:

    a. To possess a GSA employee identification credential and a current and valid State drivers license for the specific type of vehicle to be operated, issued by a State, the District of Columbia, Puerto Rico or any possession or territory over which the United States has administrative jurisdiction;

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    I grew up around guns, I hunted, I have medals for shooting skills from the NRA and more. I was once a member of the NRA........

    The plain fact is, if there were no guns, no once could be shot with a gun. We know that as much as "Christians" would like to live life as Christ did and not fear those who are not meek, but die defending a righteous life, instead of participating in the very things they call evil, when others do it (in the name of what is "good" in their own minds, whether their minds are disturbed or they are on the opposite side of other people's minds ad everyone if thinking their "side" is the side of "good") a total ban on firearms, AIN'T gonna happen, because even good "Christians" want to hedge their "belief" in the meek inheriting the earth, turning the other cheek, "love their enemies" and treat others as they would want others to treat them. I imagine the latter, especially, would NOT include shooting others, as a sign of how one would like others, to treat them and it certainly seems a bit out of alignment with loving one's enemies or turning the other cheek. But suddenly all the "conservatives" who believe in moral values (based on what?) will claim they aren't religious or Christian at all, but they just like defending values in their mind and what they want others, not themselves, to actually do. Abortion is a sin, but adultery and divorce will get you the presidency. Homosexual marriage is bad because heterosexual is marriage, unless your name is Donald Trump, Rudy Giuliani, John McCain, Rush Limbaugh, Newt Gingrich, Dennis Hastert, Ronald Reagan...Roger Ailes, Bill O'Reilly Anthony Scaramucci Donald Trump, Jr.....etc. Then divorce is the new "sacred". Oh, yes, there are Democrats galore who also are divorced and also cheat on their spouses. The difference is they don't oppose homosexual marriage and abortion while trying to portray their sinful selves as "righteous".

    The lying people do to themselves is incredible and incredulous, especially when they try to tell others they should be barred from something for those actions being considered sinful. Adultery, divorce, narcissism, greed, gluttony, lying are NOT sinful? How does that work?

    Its the same when comes to some people and the discussion of gun control.....no, that is NOT gun banning, it is GUN CONTROL........The denial of how arguing against gun control presents itself to sane reasonable people is absurd and to the people who can't see themselves in the mirror, it is being dishonest to themselves and as the saying goes, if you can't be honest to yourself, then why would you be honest to anyone else. To sit there are watch a POTUS like daily and blindly support them is denial and a lie, ESPECIALLY when the same people are down on others, for doing the same things and mostly to a far lesser degree.

    Those that fear their guns being taken away only present a case for having them taken away, as they exhibit a form of paranoia and obsessiveness. The also have a false sense of bravado and courage if they NEED a firearm by their side 24/7. These are the VERY people who hold anger and resentment toward any sort of discussion of gin control and the people who are for it. That resentment and anger is NOT something that is a good mix with firearms. Honest and courageous people who are firearms owners know this themselves, They are NOT afraid of gun control and they do NOT need a firearm to feel "brave" and "powerful".


    and the Constitution DOES prevent a total ban, it just does NOT protect the right of any and every Tom

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallie Knoetze View Post
    Mr. Rasselas,

    Please read "On the Origin of the Species" and get back to us.
    A social Darwinist. Lovely.

    Something like natural selection is a very poor analogy to human society. It's the opposite of society. We are social animals and would not be very successful as a species if we were not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KnotaFrayed View Post
    prefer to lose.......

    Your child?

    Your gun(s)?

    To many, this is what the divide appears to boil down to. People choosing one, over the other and various facsimiles of the same.

    It would appear some would suggest the shooting of children in their classrooms is a norm that should be tolerated in exchange for their interpretation of a right to keep and bear any arms they choose.

    Feel free to discuss why.

    "loose" in the second question is intended to read "lose".
    Do you expect to be taken seriously when you present such an obviously false choice?
    Weak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    Then we should focus on gun registration - for all guns. Require that gun owners register all of their firearms, and require that all registrations be renewed every two years by bringing the guns to an agency that can certify ownership. Since every gun manfactured (going forward) will have an owner (whether it's the manufacturer, the store, etc.) it becomes very easy to determine the last valid owner of a gun used in a crime. This will drive up the cost of black-market guns, making them unaffordable to most low-level criminals.
    Feel free to present a long list of crimes that were solved or prevented by gun registration. I wait with bated breath...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    Registered at the federal level. We have unfettered transit between states, so state-level registration is insufficient. And in many states, we DO bring our cars in for inspection every year. I'm saying that gun owners should be required to have each weapon accounted for once every two years.
    Gun registration is simply a precursor to confiscation, over and over...
    How fucking stupid do you think your audience is?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KnotaFrayed View Post
    What Schtick are gun rights and the NRA folks pushing, but that children are LESS important then their firearms?
    I presume that you will not allow kids to ride in cars. Your carelessness or someone else's could end their life.

    Is your concern about children's lives or about gun ownership?
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