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    Is there a "Deep State" trying to bring Trump down?

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    I liked the old secret organizations that were going to take over the world better. The Illuminati and the New World Order were good enough for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
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    Trump doesn't need any help destroying himself. Did he really think he could get away with a lifetime of doing shady deals and paying off people to cover up his crimes when he was President? I know he never expected to win but he under estimated how good Russia was at spreading propoganda and over estimated the intelligence of his base.
    He thought he'd lose and write a book and make a deal or two to put his name on some more buildings, maybe get another Reality show and that would be it. Now I am kind of glad he won because this man is finally going to be exposed for the fraud he is and with any luck at all he actually will spend time in jail. I don't care about if he gets impeached or not, I want him to go to JAIL. I can wait if the GOP doesn't want to impeach him. Once he is out of office I hope the State of New York or the State of Virginia or the State of Florida or the State of California nails his ass.Trump does business in all those states so if he didn't commit a crime in one of them it will surprise me.
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    Members of the bureaucracy and the political establishment despise Trump. They cross party lines and includes a long list of agencies and entities that he has offended.

    "Deep State" is an awkward branding for the old guard and the bureaucracy.

    When Stalin took over he killed millions of the old guard in Russia.

    When Elizabeth took the throne, she had to purge the government to survive.

    Whether you view such actions as valid on any level, it's simple ignorance to pretend that massive changes of government always go easily.

    The difference with the US is that we are supposed to bend to the will of the electorate and that bending is less prevalent than in previous changes.

    Many on the left thought that Gore should not have accepted the Scotus decision.

    Many on the right decided to try and block anything Obama might choose to accomplish.

    But it gets really dangerous when members of the government decide to ignore the election and resist.

    Resistance is speech when it's done by private citizens.

    It's sedition when taken to edge of legality and done by members of the government.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kmiller1610 View Post
    Members of the bureaucracy and the political establishment despise Trump. They cross party lines and includes a long list of agencies and entities that he has offended.

    "Deep State" is an awkward branding for the old guard and the bureaucracy.

    When Stalin took over he killed millions of the old guard in Russia.

    When Elizabeth took the throne, she had to purge the government to survive.

    Whether you view such actions as valid on any level, it's simple ignorance to pretend that massive changes of government always go easily.

    The difference with the US is that we are supposed to bend to the will of the electorate and that bending is less prevalent than in previous changes.

    Many on the left thought that Gore should not have accepted the Scotus decision.

    Many on the right decided to try and block anything Obama might choose to accomplish.

    But it gets really dangerous when members of the government decide to ignore the election and resist.

    Resistance is speech when it's done by private citizens.

    It's sedition when taken to edge of legality and done by members of the government.
    It is even more unnerving when the president's sedition is 'taken to edge of legality' and beyond.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eve1 View Post
    Trump doesn't need any help destroying himself. Did he really think he could get away with a lifetime of doing shady deals and paying off people to cover up his crimes when he was President? I know he never expected to win but he under estimated how good Russia was at spreading propoganda and over estimated the intelligence of his base.
    He thought he'd lose and write a book and make a deal or two to put his name on some more buildings, maybe get another Reality show and that would be it. Now I am kind of glad he won because this man is finally going to be exposed for the fraud he is and with any luck at all he actually will spend time in jail. I don't care about if he gets impeached or not, I want him to go to JAIL. I can wait if the GOP doesn't want to impeach him. Once he is out of office I hope the State of New York or the State of Virginia or the State of Florida or the State of California nails his ass.Trump does business in all those states so if he didn't commit a crime in one of them it will surprise me.
    He was a supreme fool to run for president.

    It is going to ruin what's left of his life and put a stain on his fake family name that will last generations.
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    I don't use the term 'Deep State' but of course I 100% know that there are powers above the US President. Whoever he or she might be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGaffer View Post
    I liked the old secret organizations that were going to take over the world better. The Illuminati and the New World Order were good enough for me.
    I would like to sincerely thank you for at least suggesting that the Illuminati are good guys. We ARE! We're the good guys! People are always saying bad things about us! It is SO frustrating! I wish people would stop talking so much about the Illuminati, and start paying more attention to these groups out there like the Rosicrucians and the Trilateral Commission. Watch out for those guys! The Trilateral Commission in particular! Those guys are up to no good! As for the Rosicrucians, we're not even SURE what they're up to! Better watch them! But just so you know, we are NOT trying to "take over the world". That has never been our goal! We are just trying to guide the world. You know, in a healthy direction! So, don't worry about us! In fact, stop TALKING about us! Please!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLeRoy View Post
    I would like to sincerely thank you for at least suggesting that the Illuminati are good guys. We ARE! We're the good guys! People are always saying bad things about us! It is SO frustrating! I wish people would stop talking so much about the Illuminati, and start paying more attention to these groups out there like the Rosicrucians and the Trilateral Commission. Watch out for those guys! The Trilateral Commission in particular! Those guys are up to no good! As for the Rosicrucians, we're not even SURE what they're up to! Better watch them! But just so you know, we are NOT trying to "take over the world". That has never been our goal! We are just trying to guide the world. You know, in a healthy direction! So, don't worry about us! In fact, stop TALKING about us! Please!
    We Masons feel the same way, Brother!
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