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    Radical Centrist BigLeRoy's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by orangecat View Post
    It doesn't make any difference who's in the oval office. If I want to make more money, I hustle a little more. I don't really need any more money for my lifestyle, but I find it entertaining to build my wealth sometimes. As an aside, this thread has inspired me to check my 401k (I rarely do, probably a bad habit). It's nearly doubled, but I think there's a glitch in the Fidelity site, because that would be pretty much an impossible growth rate. It is amusing to see, for certain!
    Nearly doubled since WHEN?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLeRoy View Post
    Nearly doubled since WHEN?
    Since last time a checked it, about 6 months ago. I get emails from them, but usually don't log in to check the actual numbers. It's just funny-money to me. Regardless of whether it goes up or down, it doesn't make any difference in my day to day life.
    Last edited by orangecat; 22nd May 2018 at 07:17 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLeRoy View Post
    It is MORE fair to look at what the stock market did from March 9 to the end of Obama's time in office. The stock market, and indeed the global economy, was COLLAPSING, when Obama took office. That was NOT his fault! Anyone who says it was is simply out of their mind. That was the unraveling of a gigantic financial bubble that had been building for years, for most of the prior decade. As I pointed out, stock market historians will regard March 9, 2009 as the significant date in history, and NOT January 20, 2009, when Obama was inaugurated.
    I get it. If you are referring to the stock markets lowest point in his term then yes it did triple.

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    Yes, by all accounts things are good (financially) for me right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Forget the numbers being released by Trump....how's you IRA, wage increases prices, doing?
    Depends on what you mean by "better".

    I was doing much better, before Trump was elected, that continued, but has wavered and sunk a bit. I'm not doing any better business wise under Trump and I worry about what it is going to cost this country, once Trump's signing statements and moves by his cabinet members and a republican Congress (that goes along with whatever Trump wants, even if they make rumblings about disagreeing with him.) become noted by the "people". Things like the environment, who really has gained the most from all the moves (the "common people" or the already wealthy?) and the real result of Trump's "superior" being "negotiations" all around.

    Change is often good, so is "keeping campaign promises", but both also depend on what they are, with regard to their being "good" or bad". There is no question Trump won the Electoral College. There is a big question as to the difference between the "landslide" he claims and reality. He also lost the popular plurality vote, by the largest number of votes in history. There are also numerous questions about Trump's credibility and about all the promises he has NOT kept, thus far.

    There are questions about Trump's hypocrisy, regarding his one way street and his discussion about others, while ignoring his own actions. How does the man whose sons met with Russians looking for dirt on Hillary Clinton and with indicted members of his campaign talk about "witch hunts" and people "spying" on his campaign? Why would anyone believe he's not doing the very same thing he has accused others (the Clinton's and Obama) of doing? Why does he escape his own scrutiny?

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    Quote Originally Posted by orangecat View Post
    Since last time a checked it, about 6 months ago. I get emails from them, but usually don't log in to check the actual numbers. It's just funny-money to me. Regardless of whether it goes up or down, it doesn't make any difference in my day to day life.
    Kind of hard to believe, orangecat, especially if you're not an active investor who is not even checking up on it daily. You see, I DO check up on the markets. EVERY day. Six months ago would put us in late November 2017. What were the markets doing then?

    Well, they were hitting RECORD levels back then:

    https://marketrealist.com/2017/11/sp...s-november-21/

    On November 21, just a few days before Thanksgiving, the DJIA closed at 23,590, which was, at that time, an all-time record high level. Today, it is at about 24698. So, in the last six months, the Dow Jones has risen only about 4.7%. And you claim your 401K has almost DOUBLED, which would be a 100% increase. That's truly remarkable.

    On November 21, the tech-heavy NASDAQ closed at 6862.48. Which was also, at that time, an all-time record high. Today, it is at around 7355.75. So, in the last six months, the NASDAQ has risen about 7.2%, which is a little better than the DOW, but still nowhere even close to doubling.

    Looking at these numbers, I have little doubt that some folks are gonna call BULLSHIT on your claim that your 401K has 'nearly doubled' in the last six months.

    And, frankly, I would not be able to blame them for doing so.

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    So far the majority of us are doing worse or the same under Trump.
    Next year things will be much worse if the gOP still runs everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    So far the majority of us are doing worse or the same under Trump.
    Next year things will be much worse if the gOP still runs everything.
    11/19 are doing the same or worse.

    13/19 are doing the same or better.

    If you remove "the same" from the equation, 6/19 are doing worse, 8/19 are doing better.

    #FunWithNumbers
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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Forget the numbers being released by Trump....how's you IRA, wage increases prices, doing?
    Wages are up slightly (for me), 401 is doing great. Business as usual regardless of who is president. Of course I've been at my job for close to 10 years so a lot of that stability is my own.
    Thanks from pragmatic and orangecat

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLeRoy View Post
    Sorry. The stock market more than TRIPLED on Obama's watch. March 9, 2009. MARK that date. Stock market historians will. Far into the future. And I mean FAR. That date, barely weeks into Obama's first term, was a multi-decade low in the stock markets in America (and in some other countries in the world, as well). The Dow Jones closed at 6,547 on that date. When Mr. Obama left office and handed the reins over to Donald Trump, on January 21, 2017, the Dow Jones was at more than TRIPLE that level. You can look it up, Kallie. YOU are the one lying here, not HadEnough2. The S&P 500, a better stock market index in any event, because it is a much broader index, also more than tripled from that date to the end of Obama's second term, and I'd be happy to go through those numbers with you as well.

    Your 129% number is TOTALLY MADE UP. Such falsehoods should not be allowed to go unchallenged.
    Mr. Leroy,

    Obama was inaugurated in January, 2009. The Dow was at 8200 that week. The day he left office, the dow was at 19700, 129% above the day he came into office.

    Sorry to ruin your premise with actual facts.

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