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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Forget the numbers being released by Trump....how's you IRA, wage increases prices, doing?
    The government releases the numbers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roberthughey View Post
    The government releases the numbers.
    Don't believe a word that comes out of Trump's government.
    He warned us not to believes Obama's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StanStill View Post
    Those are numbers, which are by definition exact. They're irrelevant to the fact that the value of the dow tripled on Obama's watch.
    Mr. Stan,

    Obama's watch started in January 2009, the dow was at 8200. His watch ended in January 2017 and the dow was at 19700. 11,500 is not triple 8200.

    Using your cherry-picking logic, the Dow increased 75% under President Bush's watch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallie Knoetze View Post
    Mr. Stan,

    Actually, it does. The difference between 19700 and 8200 is 11,500. 11,500 is not triple 8200.

    You liberals really aren't that good at numbers, are you?
    Ms. Kallie Knoetze,

    It couldn't be explained to you any clearer. At the low point of Obama's term the Dow was at 6,547 and when he left 19,827. So yes, the Dow tripled. Those are plain facts. Do you play and live in the Alternative Stock Market of your dreams?

    This was all explained to you yesterday. You got spanked yesterday and your getting spanked again today because of your stubbornness to deny in your face facts.

    Trump would have you believe that he and he alone is responsible for the Stock Market and the Black Unemployment rate, which has been going down since 2011. Who was President then?


    2011 15.8
    2012 13.6
    2013 13.7
    2014 12.1
    2015 10.4
    2016 8.9
    2017 7.8
    2018 7.7

    https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000006
    Last edited by HadEnough2; 23rd May 2018 at 07:44 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HadEnough2 View Post
    Ms. Kallie Knoetze,

    It could be explained to you any clearer. At the low point of Obama's term the Dow was at 6,547 and when he left 19,827. So yes, the Dow tripled. Those are plain facts. Do you play and live in the Alternative Stock Market of your dreams?

    This was all explained to you yesterday. You got spanked yesterday and your getting spanked again today because of your stubbornness to deny in your face facts.

    Trump would have you believe that he and he alone is responsible for the Stock Market and the Black Unemployment rate, which has been going down since 2011. Who was President then?


    2011 15.8
    2012 13.6
    2013 13.7
    2014 12.1
    2015 10.4
    2016 8.9
    2017 7.8
    2018 7.7

    https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000006
    Mr. Enough,

    I just pointed out you were not being truthful, as when Obama came into office, the Dow was at 8200, when he left, 19700, an increase of 129%.

    As for further being proved you are lying, you said you had a 300% gain during this period. As I pointed out, that was twice that of the dow index.

    However, even if we were to take that at face value, that would mean a 37.5% annualized over 8 years.

    Now, you may be a good investor, but I seriously doubt you beat the best of the best, who only garner between 15% to 64% annualized gain.

    https://www.tipranks.com/hedge-funds/top

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    You all may think you are better off financially but wait a while. The GOP will attack a lot of things the working man depends on. His recklessness in financial matters is dangerous. As a Veteran, he showed how much he cares about us when he threw his doctor with no expertise at us as Director/secretary of VA.

    That's how much thought has gone into all his financial decisions so far.

    Tariffs, appointing know-nothings, trade wars, deregulation etc. Quality of life means more than a couple of temporary bucks. His support and appointment of Pruitt at EPA is a prime example of his short sightedness and his view of who to put in charge or what steps to take.

    Immediate gratification and long term failure. That's what he'll leave behind for us and our kids.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallie Knoetze View Post
    Mr. Stan,

    Obama's watch started in January 2009, the dow was at 8200. His watch ended in January 2017 and the dow was at 19700. 11,500 is not triple 8200.

    Using your cherry-picking logic, the Dow increased 75% under President Bush's watch.
    But we can say that about Bush’s watch (assuming your number is correct). If it’s true that under Bush’s watch, the Dow went down 10%, then up 75%, then down 80%, then the statement “it went up 75% on Bush’s watch” is true. “It went down 80% on Bush’s watch” is also true. It might be relevant to point out that a historic bear market began during the end of Bush’s term and lasted 1 1/2 years, but whatever.

    Pretty simple stuff, no? I’m having a hard time believing you don’t understand something so straightforward.

    By your rationale it would be more accruate to say “The stock market didnt do anything during Bush’s terms in office, since the number from when he left is about equal to the number from when he began.” In my opinion that would be pretty dishonest, but we all know your approach to honesty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallie Knoetze View Post
    Mr. Leroy,

    Obama was inaugurated in January, 2009. The Dow was at 8200 that week. The day he left office, the dow was at 19700, 129% above the day he came into office.

    Sorry to ruin your premise with actual facts.
    Your post fills me with an inexpressible sadness for the decline and fall of America, Kallie. I know, from my own research, that America's high schools are churning out millions upon millions of math dopes and science illiterates. [And then we wonder why they can't find decent-paying jobs.] I have encountered a good half-dozen of these innumerate posters right here on Political Hotwire. To be fair, some of these arithmetically-challenged adults are even worse than you; some, like Goofball and TNVolunteer, have shown that they are incapable of even 3rd-grade level arithmetic, not even being able to multiply numbers by a factor of three or two. But here we find you completely incapable of calculating a simple percentage change. Once upon a time, you would not have been permitted to graduate from 6th grade on such evidence. But then, our imbecilic policies of 'social promotion' set in, and we passed on complete dunderheads to higher levels of math, even though they could not do simple arithmetic.

    Your numbers are incorrect, by the way, but let me ignore that for the moment. Let's ASSUME your numbers are right. The percentage change in going from a Dow Jones at 8200 to a Dow Jones at 19700 would be 140.2%, NOT 129%. And, again, this is what used to be considered 6th grade arithmetic. It is a SIMPLE calculation, and can be done in a couple of different ways. One simple way is to just take the ratio of the two numbers: 19700/8200, and do this either by paper and pencil long division, which apparently you cannot do, or by the even simpler method of punching the numbers into a handheld calculator, which MOST elementary school-kids could do. The answer should be the same by both methods, of course. [Math is kind of 'funny' that way; it WORKS.] And what do you get? Well, you get this: 19700/8200 = 2.4024349, to the first six decimals after the decimal point. Now, you DO need to know how to interpret that number, of course. A practiced eye reads that as a percentage increase of 140.2%. The more DIRECT way of calculating the percentage change in going from a Dow of 8200 to a Dow of 19700 would be this:

    [(19700 - 8200)/8200] X 100, where you are multiplying by 100 to convert it into percentage terms, and that gives you, quite directly, 140.2% (close enough for government work, as I like to say to my amused students).

    Again, your 129% number is TOTALLY MADE UP, I have NO idea where you got it, you did NOT get it through any EARTHLY arithmetic, and you are appallingly and atrociously bad at arithmetic.

    Really, you should consider SUING whatever school you went to, where they allegedly taught you arithmetic, for educational malpractice and malfeasance, and maybe, just maybe, you might make judicial history, and win a judgment large enough to allow you to retire early, and I certainly HOPE and TRUST that your current job does not require you to actually DO arithmetic of any kind in any form.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallie Knoetze View Post
    Mr. Leroy,

    Obama was inaugurated in January, 2009. The Dow was at 8200 that week. The day he left office, the dow was at 19700, 129% above the day he came into office.

    Sorry to ruin your premise with actual facts.
    Also, your reported numbers are simply incorrect.

    The Dow Jones closed on January 20, 2009, the date of Obama's inauguration, at 7949.09. [And note that the stock market day was already almost over by the time Obama had taken the oath of office and given his inaugural speech.]

    The Dow Jones closed on January 20, 2017, the date of Trump's inauguration, at 19827.25

    That works out to a percentage increase of 149.4% for the eight years that Mr. Obama was in office.

    And, yes, I can run you through that calculation if you can't figure out the 6th grade arithmetic.

    But, and this is the very much more important point, those dates are pretty much meaningless to any stock market historian. I thought I explained in crystal clear terms in my previous post exactly WHY the date of March 9, 2009 is VASTLY more interesting, and more significant, to ANY stock market historian. I can only gather that the phrase "multi-decade low" simply had no meaning to you, whatsoever.

    You really don't know much about the stock market, do you, Kallie?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallie Knoetze View Post
    Mr. Frayed,

    How does that change the fact that the DOW was at 8300 when Obama took office, and 19700 when he left, a 129% change?
    How does your ignoring where 17 months before March 9, 2009 puts the beginning of a total loss of 54% change the fact that it from the lowest point the DJIA reached that is where the comparison is made? Can a freight train stop on a dime? Only if it derails, but even then. it's still moving. Why do you ignore the stock market falling when Barack Obama took office and where it reached as a low point, with that low point being the marker from whence to where the stock market rose (with other smaller downs and recoveries to the day Trump took office. You really do not fool anyone.
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