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    Quote Originally Posted by KnotaFrayed View Post
    Consciously or not, what's happening in this nation now, without a leader to recognize it and direct us away from it, instead of exacerbating it, via intentional collusion (because of black mail or some "together we can rule the world" oligarchical "pact") or plain narcissistic caused lack of recognition for all the looking for attention for himself.......Americans should be more than wary of what's going on, regardless of whether it is intentional or coincidental to the characteristics and personalities of historical dictatorships and control freaks who are raised to power based on those who raise them to power wanting to exploit their bullying ways to push their own agendas, then too late, find out they fed a monster that not only pushes their agendas through, but the personal agenda of those they gave power to and that agenda is not only horrific, but removes the capacity of the people to object to, challenge or remove, the person they put in office.

    One of the first things dictators do is try to control information, if not by barring all media, but state run and approve media, by discrediting any media that exposes corruption and promoting media that does nothing but flatter that dictator. The next thing? Remove the power of the people, to remove the person they put in power. When that becomes too obvious and hard to do, erode that power, little by little, until it's easier to take it all the way. Cronyism......Who, but crooks, like the removal of laws and regulations that outlaw their crooked activities, removed? You can't arrest/stop someone from doing something that steals from others, unless there is a law/rule against doing it. Remove the law and the crooks have a field day and no one can stop them. Lots more things, but these are perhaps the main ones and the ones anyone should be able to identify with what has been going on in this nation and with the POTUS, aside from a really WEIRD bias in favor of Vladimir Putin that is totally noticeable, yet has gone unchallenged by anything, but the Mueller investigation into possible wrongdoing by members of the Trump campaign, possibly Trump himself. So far, things have been found, people indicted and now, jailed. Why aren't a lot more Americans disturbed by this and how is putting one's personal politics ahead of a serious concern about the trade-offs they could be making (that are far worse)? I don't know, but I have been on boats that sailed before, having a bad feeling and had those bad feelings come to pass, people looking at me when I pointed out the concerns ahead of time, like I had three heads.
    Republicans Fearful.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/con...border-n883706

    This may be the final straw!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Poll results so far:
    Almost 80% of PH believes Trump is doing Putin's work of dividing our country and hurting democracy.
    This was an anonymous poll so we can assume it was honestly answered.

    PH is not a Lefty website and these poll results are transferable to the American public in general.
    Nah, most members who post on here regularly are anti Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    [T]hese poll results are transferable [from PH] to the American public in general.
    I do not see how that is even remotely possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Thoughts?
    I have four words on this subject,Devil

    Love God/ Love Others.

    The Pastor is preaching on the Ten Commandments.. These
    were the words on the screen. Jeff Sessions,Trump and anyone who backs this should Get Thee to a Church and listen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    I do not see how that is even remotely possible.
    Trumps ratings amongst Republicans are good right now but his opening up concentration camps for children SHOULD hurt him with all but the diehard Nazi's in his party.All sane American already hate him!

    11/6/18 will determine if this country turns into the Fourth Reich or remains a democracy. (please lets not get into the definition of democracy)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Thoughts?
    You mean by declaring the election "rigged" and ranting about the number of illegals who vote?
    Or by carrying out a policy of deliberately separating children from their parents and attempting to blame the previous administration for their barbarity?
    Or by alienating our allies and cozying up to our enemies?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLeRoy View Post
    Trump has converted nearly the entire GOP to 'Trumpism'. His approval rating among Republicans was 87%, the last I heard. So no, he is NOT 'hated by GOP equally'. That's just NONSENSE. The GOP is circling the wagons around Trump. They are purging the last few remaining dissidents from the party, the elder statesmen like John McCain, Jeff Flake, and Bob Corker. Those guys are all now persona non grata in the Republican Party, and Corker is quite right in saying the GOP has become a 'cult'.
    "My party has gone batshit crazy." - Lindsey Graham.

    Will the sane GOP ever come back? I wonder.
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    There is a dark underbelly to politics that smears and distorts and pits us against one another and has been doing it for a very long time.

    Name one tactic used by the Russians that hasn't been done already by rich sponsors and dark agents of both parties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmanmcfly View Post
    The division was created some time ago. Putin is anti globalist (that's why the media insists he's the worst person out there)...

    The institutions are corrupted at the heads, that corruption is the source of the division because of their influence.

    Trump may have won the presidency, he did not win the media, academia, the courts, the banks, the alliances. They are still trying to act as though Clinton won.
    Putting aside the question of what "acting like Hillary won" even means, how would things be different if they weren't doing that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kmiller1610 View Post
    There is a dark underbelly to politics that smears and distorts and pits us against one another and has been doing it for a very long time.

    Name on tactic used by the Russians that hasn't been done already by rich sponsors and dark agents of both parties.
    That was my next question. Who benefits most from the division?

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