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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    Merely having bias is not "fake news." The media has not done anything differently in recent years. The problem is that the term "fake news" was coined by the extreme right to describe any news organization that does not have an extreme-right bias, which is itself dishonest and fake news.

    Furthermore, this administration has been defining as "fake news" anything that not only accurately represents what it has said, but points out where it has contradicted itself. The reality is that the White House has become inherently dishonest and untrustworthy, and is the very epitome of post-truth politics.
    From my thread on The Smear. All fully documented by a credentialed and heralded investigative reporter (Edward Murrow award being one example)*.

    Review of prominent smear techniques used by the Right, the Left and the Russians. Much of this is in my own words.

    1) Fake Grass Roots (movements, news, opinions) aka Astroturf (where buzz is created that appears to have lots of support, but is generated by professional propagandists)

    2) Fake editorials (where the writer was hired to create and post an opinion)

    3) Audience Stacking (where audiences at political events are hired to shout down opposing views and applaud the mandated and targeted winner.

    4) Collusion and Coordination of news, words, ranking of stories to create an impression of widespread agreement on the importance of a message or event

    5) Character assassination campaigns

    6) Fascist intimidation techniques against those who refuse to "play ball."

    7) Politicians and their agents rewarding reporters who "play ball" by giving them access to the inside sources.

    8) Fake News organizations whose mission is to promote all of these techniques in exchange for hard cash payments. Fake News for hire.

    *corroborated by a Pulitzer Prize winner who did investigative reporting for the New York Times for 30 years. Jeff Gerth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    Actually, I think it will be difficult to tell what the signature of his presidency will be considered to be, since nobody knows what is really going on there, anyway.
    “Men judge generally more by the eye than by the hand, for everyone can see and few can feel. Every one sees what you appear to be, few really know what you are.”
    -Machiavelli


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    Quote Originally Posted by KnotaFrayed View Post
    Consciously or not, what's happening in this nation now, without a leader to recognize it and direct us away from it, instead of exacerbating it, via intentional collusion (because of black mail or some "together we can rule the world" oligarchical "pact") or plain narcissistic caused lack of recognition for all the looking for attention for himself.......Americans should be more than wary of what's going on, regardless of whether it is intentional or coincidental to the characteristics and personalities of historical dictatorships and control freaks who are raised to power based on those who raise them to power wanting to exploit their bullying ways to push their own agendas, then too late, find out they fed a monster that not only pushes their agendas through, but the personal agenda of those they gave power to and that agenda is not only horrific, but removes the capacity of the people to object to, challenge or remove, the person they put in office.

    One of the first things dictators do is try to control information, if not by barring all media, but state run and approve media, by discrediting any media that exposes corruption and promoting media that does nothing but flatter that dictator. The next thing? Remove the power of the people, to remove the person they put in power. When that becomes too obvious and hard to do, erode that power, little by little, until it's easier to take it all the way. Cronyism......Who, but crooks, like the removal of laws and regulations that outlaw their crooked activities, removed? You can't arrest/stop someone from doing something that steals from others, unless there is a law/rule against doing it. Remove the law and the crooks have a field day and no one can stop them. Lots more things, but these are perhaps the main ones and the ones anyone should be able to identify with what has been going on in this nation and with the POTUS, aside from a really WEIRD bias in favor of Vladimir Putin that is totally noticeable, yet has gone unchallenged by anything, but the Mueller investigation into possible wrongdoing by members of the Trump campaign, possibly Trump himself. So far, things have been found, people indicted and now, jailed. Why aren't a lot more Americans disturbed by this and how is putting one's personal politics ahead of a serious concern about the trade-offs they could be making (that are far worse)? I don't know, but I have been on boats that sailed before, having a bad feeling and had those bad feelings come to pass, people looking at me when I pointed out the concerns ahead of time, like I had three heads.
    That is the very reason you see Trump out there every day spouting his hate,lies and ignorance of what our Country has stood for for over 200 years! He is doing damage, along with his Cult, but he will not win!

    His Cult grows smaller every day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jets View Post
    “Men judge generally more by the eye than by the hand, for everyone can see and few can feel. Every one sees what you appear to be, few really know what you are.”
    -Machiavelli

    This certainly becomes even more true when the "you" in that statement is a pathological liar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    Actually, I think it will be difficult to tell what the signature of his presidency will be considered to be, since nobody knows what is really going on there, anyway.
    You figured that out,too? All I see is a bunch of lies, boasts, hateful actions with nothing behind them,except an orange combover and nothing under neath.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaryAnne View Post
    His Cult grows smaller every day.
    One would hope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    This certainly becomes even more true when the "you" in that statement is a pathological liar.
    And,only a fool would believe a pathological liar!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaryAnne View Post
    You figured that out,too? All I see is a bunch of lies, boasts, hateful actions with nothing behind them,except an orange combover and nothing under neath.
    The epitome of "empty suit."

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaryAnne View Post
    Devil, you have a pretty one sided vote there. Does that vote prove how many sane ones are around?

    Or, are the crazies afraid to admit it?
    I deliberately left the poll anonymous to try to get a more accurate decision.
    How a small minority of racist crazies can abduct an entire nation of good people cries out for immediate change.

    Supporters of Trump's caging babies are evil people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kmiller1610 View Post
    Both political parties are engaged in the same things the Russians were doing. After all, Trump, Obama, Hillary, Soros, Koch brothers, Media Matters, Breitbart, MSNBC, Morning Joe, Fox and Friends, the 5.

    We are a nation of propaganda.

    If you think the Russians started this, you need to think again.
    Sure, they all engage in propaganda.
    Who else has declared the election rigged and claimed that millions of illegals voted?
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