View Poll Results: Which form of censorship, if any, do you support?

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  • By private platforms (e.g., Facebook, Twitter, &c.)

    18 69.23%
  • By the government

    0 0%
  • Both

    2 7.69%
  • Neither

    5 19.23%
  • Other (please indicate in a post)

    2 7.69%
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    Quote Originally Posted by bmanmcfly View Post
    So, bars SHOULD be allowed to block groups they don't want from their business?

    How about utilities?

    What the hell does that have to do with censoring speech?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wonderer View Post
    I voted "Other," because while I agree that it's legal for private entities to censor away to their hearts' content (and not so for the Government), I can't say that I SUPPORT such censorship across-the-board. For instance, if a private entity heavily censors content, that's their legal right, but I may not agree with the extent to which they're doing so or their reasoning.

    I feel the same way about government censorship of sex and violence in television broadcasts and movies. I am opposed to such censorship in principle, although it doesn't irritate me so much that I would ever bother to protest such censorship.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bmanmcfly View Post
    So, bars SHOULD be allowed to block groups they don't want from their business?

    How about utilities?
    Is that even a question to discuss ?
    I take it you have never in your life set foot in a night club ? There are bouncers at bars and clubs all over the city of NY, who check Id's, and decide based on their own discretion / owner's order, if or if not they let you in. If you don't fit their wanted crowd, you'll be send away.

    And I have not ONCE heard that any such discrimination would result in a law suit.. which makes me think, it's within the owner's right to deny access / service to anyone, as they see fit.
    I might not personally agree with their practice... but it's how such entertainment businesses run.

    Which has absolutely NOTHING to do with the topic at hand in the OP, btw.
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    Who knew life could be so complicated.

    I feel that Facebook et al should be allowed to censor. It is no different than the PH rules we must follow or get varying lengths of vacation up to permanent.

    But ...

    When they get as big as facebook or twitter, do they become like a utility with where they are essentially a monopoly? And that's where it gets messy.

    Then the other complication is as was brought up about the sex and violence on TV. On the one hand, I hate that degree of government interference, but on the other, it is a reasonable concern that since parents seem incapable or unwilling, should the kids be protected?

    Refer to opening sentence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RNG View Post
    Who knew life could be so complicated.

    I feel that Facebook et al should be allowed to censor. It is no different than the PH rules we must follow or get varying lengths of vacation up to permanent.

    But ...

    When they get as big as facebook or twitter, do they become like a utility with where they are essentially a monopoly? And that's where it gets messy.

    Then the other complication is as was brought up about the sex and violence on TV. On the one hand, I hate that degree of government interference, but on the other, it is a reasonable concern that since parents seem incapable or unwilling, should the kids be protected?

    Refer to opening sentence.
    I feel similar. When all we used to get was news/media it was fairly clear. They had a distinct job and people were aware of it and felt it was important. Now with the growth of FB and Twitter etc many people use them exclusively to get their news. So when there is any type of censorship, they are only getting part of the story. Its also terribly confusing when you see some of these congregate sites where a well known journalist publishes something and then syndicates it all over social media.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    We have had complaints about censorship by private fora (e.g., Facebook), and by the government (e.g., Trump wanting the power to shut down media). Here is an opportunity for us to see how PH really falls on these questions.

    My position is that private venues can do as they like ... FB can shut down someone, just as a convention center can. But the government is absolutely prohibited from censorship of the press, per the First Amendment's guarantee of freedom of speech.
    Yeah, sounds good. I'm not sure who would really be against that? But we see freedom of speech bastardized all the time on political forums

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmanmcfly View Post
    So, bars SHOULD be allowed to block groups they don't want from their business?

    How about utilities?
    Jesus Christ, go borrow a dictionary. look up the word "censorship."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wonderer View Post
    I voted "Other," because while I agree that it's legal for private entities to censor away to their hearts' content (and not so for the Government), I can't say that I SUPPORT such censorship across-the-board. For instance, if a private entity heavily censors content, that's their legal right, but I may not agree with the extent to which they're doing so or their reasoning.
    That was my reasoning for saying "neither".

    There are times when I think censoring is justified, but I don't support either form of censorship.

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    I voted private platforms because the 1st amendment only restricts government interference with free speech.

    However, that’s a simplistic answer, and the issue is not quite as simple as that. The government can prosecute the person who yells “fire” in a theater (disturbing the peace?) or who divulges classified information. And if you decide to exercise your free speech rights by calling for the assassination of a US president, be prepared for a lot of attention from the Secret Service.

    Private platforms are another matter. What messages they choose to carry, or not, is governed more by business interests. Most likely their TOSs bar porn, spam, harassment and hate speech.

    The same applies to discussion forums such as this one. Whether it’s FB or PH, nobody has an unfettered right to its use or do what one pleases without consequence. However, we’ve seen how some loudmouths seem to consider themselves above the rules and whine like stuck pigs when they’re not allowed to get away with violating the TOS.
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    Which form of censorship, if any, do you support?

    I voted both.

    I do not want to see snuff films or cartoons of child porn to be allowed distributed and viewed on any media.

    No censorship means every subject matter can be discussed or produced and viewed.

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