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    Have you investigated Gnostic Christianity?

    Have you investigated Gnostic Christianity?

    The Gnostic wing of Christianity, if it can even be called that today, has quite a few differences to Christianity and Catholicism. If the old Gnostic Christians were here, they would hardly recognize what has happened to the original Orthodox Catholic Church or its various offshoots in Protestantism and Islam. The Gnostic Christian Jesus would have a fit and would be quite disappointed I think. I know that this Gnostic Christian is.

    Please suffer through a bit of boring history.

    The main differences that moved the old Christians to decimate Gnostic Christians and burn their scriptures was literalism in reading scriptures. They were also more patriarchal and were not about to grant equality to women. Much later, gays would also lose the equality that they enjoyed. These were Jews donít forget. The Gnostic version of Jesus and his Father was that they were Universalist. That communistic view of the demographics of heaven did not go over well with those who had a more pyramidal view of what they wanted God to be. War was declared and my side lost.

    That is why we think literalism to be quite evil. Proof is shown by the fact that it led to the Dark Ages, the Inquisition and all the other affronts to humanity that the Abrahamic cults have collectively done and continue to civilized society. Not too civilized but we Abrahamic cultists are what we are. If we were not sinners we would not be seeking a God to forgive us.

    The Gnostic Christian Jesus, and the Gnostic Christians of that flavor, see a spark of God in all people including women and gays. That fact, to me, makes Gnostic Christianity a more desirable denomination of Christianity than all the rest. After all, if a religion cannot accept equality of humans as a starting place, then it cannot be a good religion. All souls are equal. That is scripture. That is why we connect equality to righteousness. If a religion cannot abide with equality of the sexes then to my mind it is not a just religion and is not worthy of the support of moral people.

    Inequality is an immoral position and most of the Abrahamic cults are of that immoral persuasion. They take, --- he shall rule over you, --- to an immoral institutionalized position.

    As the superior Catholic theology, it is my hope that Gnostic Christianity will eventually absorb the non-egalitarian and immoral Christian cults. I hope their members recognize that equality is the right moral system for all to live under, and that as religionists, to not actively support equality for all, would make any denomination of the Abrahamic cults more of a satanic cult than a God loving one.

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    I pretty much believe in the "Gnostic" philosophy.

    Although, I do wish there were a stronger presence of true Gnostic Philosophers in the modern world.

    The Catholic Church did a pretty damned good job of squashing all competition. Coptics, Gnostics, and who knows how many other sects/philosophies.

    Part of the problem with such philisophical interpretations of Religion is that they suggest Power/Divinity within each human being. That takes structure and, by extension, CONTROL out of the hands of the few.

    Jewish Kabbalists and Muslim Sufi's have had much the same treatment.

    It just seems that the Monotheistic Religions really go out of their way to remove any and all "Eastern Spiritualism" from their theocratic philosophy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rorschach View Post
    I pretty much believe in the "Gnostic" philosophy.

    Although, I do wish there were a stronger presence of true Gnostic Philosophers in the modern world.

    The Catholic Church did a pretty damned good job of squashing all competition. Coptics, Gnostics, and who knows how many other sects/philosophies.

    Part of the problem with such philisophical interpretations of Religion is that they suggest Power/Divinity within each human being. That takes structure and, by extension, CONTROL out of the hands of the few.

    Jewish Kabbalists and Muslim Sufi's have had much the same treatment.

    It just seems that the Monotheistic Religions really go out of their way to remove any and all "Eastern Spiritualism" from their theocratic philosophy.
    You are well read.

    The eastern part is mostly what I chat about.

    The thinking shown below is the Gnostic Christian’s goal as taught by Jesus but know that any belief can be internalized.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alRN...layer_embedded

    This method and mind set is how you become I am and brethren to Jesus.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdSVl_HOo8Y

    When you can name your God, I am, and mean yourself, then you will begin to know the only God you will ever find.

    I am pleased that you like our philosophy. I think it quite moral as compared to what Christianity has settled for.

    Their literalism killed any morality their myths might have had.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR02...list=PLCBF574D
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    Have you investigated Gnostic Christianity?

    The Gnostic wing of Christianity, if it can even be called that today, has quite a few differences to Christianity and Catholicism. If the old Gnostic Christians were here, they would hardly recognize what has happened to the original Orthodox Catholic Church or its various offshoots in Protestantism and Islam. The Gnostic Christian Jesus would have a fit and would be quite disappointed I think. I know that this Gnostic Christian is.

    Please suffer through a bit of boring history.

    The main differences that moved the old Christians to decimate Gnostic Christians and burn their scriptures was literalism in reading scriptures. They were also more patriarchal and were not about to grant equality to women. Much later, gays would also lose the equality that they enjoyed. These were Jews don’t forget. The Gnostic version of Jesus and his Father was that they were Universalist. That communistic view of the demographics of heaven did not go over well with those who had a more pyramidal view of what they wanted God to be. War was declared and my side lost.

    That is why we think literalism to be quite evil. Proof is shown by the fact that it led to the Dark Ages, the Inquisition and all the other affronts to humanity that the Abrahamic cults have collectively done and continue to civilized society. Not too civilized but we Abrahamic cultists are what we are. If we were not sinners we would not be seeking a God to forgive us.

    The Gnostic Christian Jesus, and the Gnostic Christians of that flavor, see a spark of God in all people including women and gays. That fact, to me, makes Gnostic Christianity a more desirable denomination of Christianity than all the rest. After all, if a religion cannot accept equality of humans as a starting place, then it cannot be a good religion. All souls are equal. That is scripture. That is why we connect equality to righteousness. If a religion cannot abide with equality of the sexes then to my mind it is not a just religion and is not worthy of the support of moral people.

    Inequality is an immoral position and most of the Abrahamic cults are of that immoral persuasion. They take, --- he shall rule over you, --- to an immoral institutionalized position.

    As the superior Catholic theology, it is my hope that Gnostic Christianity will eventually absorb the non-egalitarian and immoral Christian cults. I hope their members recognize that equality is the right moral system for all to live under, and that as religionists, to not actively support equality for all, would make any denomination of the Abrahamic cults more of a satanic cult than a God loving one.

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    You seem to forget the acts of the apostles, when the early christians (orthodox and gnostics) were in the same boat. That is roughly the same time orthodoxy developed its own dogma.

    YOu see, when all christians, orthodox and gnostics alike, were fed to the lions, they held on the promises jesus made. If one is going to die for his own belief anyway, shouldn't he at least know what he is believing?

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    The whole "Internalization" concept is pretty much what started up the Inquisitions.

    The Catholic Church in particular, did not like the concept of "Divinity within us."

    For both obvious and not so obvious reasons.

    I do NOT see humanity as "Gods," but...I do think we are "baby" Gods, with the spark of Divinity in each and every one of us. (That is what I see as the "Soul.")

    What we do with it, and how we live, is what either diminishes or strenghtens that Divine pressence.

    That is one of the main areas where I differ from basic Christian Dogma.

    "I AM" is one of the most powerful theological and philisophical statements/thoughts one can have.

    It is loaded with power, and basic wisdom.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kingrat View Post
    You seem to forget the acts of the apostles, when the early christians (orthodox and gnostics) were in the same boat. That is roughly the same time orthodoxy developed its own dogma.

    YOu see, when all christians, orthodox and gnostics alike, were fed to the lions, they held on the promises jesus made. If one is going to die for his own belief anyway, shouldn't he at least know what he is believing?
    The deaths involved were not nearly as many as Christians would like us to believe. A handful from what I hear.

    If they were foolish enough to believe what a man said about mythical Gods then they were not a great lose to humanity.

    From my POV, I gnostic Christian is worth many literalist fools. If Rome would have killed off more of them, we might not have had to suffer through a Christian created Dark Age or their Inquisition.

    Think of that as you mourn the small loses Christianity suffered as compared to what they dished out.

    How many did Christianity murder just because someone did not want to think as they did?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rorschach View Post
    The whole "Internalization" concept is pretty much what started up the Inquisitions.

    The Catholic Church in particular, did not like the concept of "Divinity within us."

    For both obvious and not so obvious reasons.

    I do NOT see humanity as "Gods," but...I do think we are "baby" Gods, with the spark of Divinity in each and every one of us. (That is what I see as the "Soul.")

    What we do with it, and how we live, is what either diminishes or strenghtens that Divine pressence.

    That is one of the main areas where I differ from basic Christian Dogma.

    "I AM" is one of the most powerful theological and philisophical statements/thoughts one can have.

    It is loaded with power, and basic wisdom.
    + many.

    When I was reading bibles, more than 8 of them as I recall, that one phrase out of the O.T. had me thinking for quite some time.

    I am not sure where the Jews picked it us as I do not see it in Sumer or Egypt nor any of the other traditions that I have read.

    It is possible that it is original to the Jews but it would be more likely that it came from elsewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    The deaths involved were not nearly as many as Christians would like us to believe. A handful from what I hear.
    It is irrelevant. What is relevant is that a tyrannical rule wishes to feed you to the lions for what you believe in. Is it not justified that if you are going to die for the beliefs you hold, you might as well know what these beliefs are?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    If they were foolish enough to believe what a man said about mythical Gods then they were not a great lose to humanity.
    Apparently not. When the roman empire was beset by internal decay and the incursions of barbarians, it was only orthodox christianity, not the gnostics, that was capable and willing to underwrite its continued existence for centuries more. Not to mention the fact that during the dark ages, it was christianity who was the undisputed heir to the patrimony of western philosophical thought.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    From my POV, I gnostic Christian is worth many literalist fools. If Rome would have killed off more of them, we might not have had to suffer through a Christian created Dark Age or their Inquisition.
    REally! As I understand it, the gnostics lived ascetic lives in caves.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    Think of that as you mourn the small loses Christianity suffered as compared to what they dished out.
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    So, you want me to feel guilty about the sins of medieval christianity, eh? Those sins were perpetrated by christianized barbarians of the west. Im an asian so I don't carry around that sort of guilt.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    How many did Christianity murder just because someone did not want to think as they did?
    I could just as easily ask the same to you. How many did america murder under pax americana and manifest destiny?

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    You have a political axe to grind. I am not interested and I am not even an American and do not particularly care about them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    + many.

    When I was reading bibles, more than 8 of them as I recall, that one phrase out of the O.T. had me thinking for quite some time.

    I am not sure where the Jews picked it us as I do not see it in Sumer or Egypt nor any of the other traditions that I have read.

    It is possible that it is original to the Jews but it would be more likely that it came from elsewhere.

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    I read alot about "I Am" in some "magik/Philosophical" text, that may have been Gnostic, or, based on "Gnostic" teachings. (I delved a lot into the Rosicrucians, Coptics, Gnostics, etc.)

    But, the original statement was one of the first things God said to Moses: "I AM!"

    And, if you look for those words, they are often repeated, even by Jesus, in his teachings "I Am the Way..." etc.

    Basically, the philosophy goes that if you structure your thoughts around that positive statement, you can create your own reality around yourself. Not like saying "I Am...in a Spaceship," then poof!. But more like "I AM going to defeat this cancer," or, "I AM going to be a successful...Actor...."

    It is a very easy way to concentrate your own spirit and soul towards a goal, as it is the basic affirmation of existence.

    (One writer even suggested that those words were the "beginning." That "God/the Universe/Whatever" began with the simple thought/affirmation of..."I AM....."
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