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    Should America abandon Israel?

    Many of the West's problems with Islam, stem from our support for the State of Israel.

    While I, in the past, have been an avid supporter of the Islraeli state, our position and influence in the world is simply not what it once was.

    Most in the world feel that the Jews basically "invaded" the region, subjugating or exiling, all of the Palestinian Arabs. Many proclaim that Israel is no different than NAZI Germany. (Personally, I rail at that idea, as it is both wrong and insulting.)

    Based on the above, would it be better for America to simply withdraw all, or, at least most, of our support for that state, perhaps going so far as to proclaim them a "Racist" nation?

    Would the Arabs hate us less?

    Would the World respect us more?

    Could we claim to be a "more moral" nation?

    Why should the US care about such a small nation, with no real resources?

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    Abandon? no.

    keep in mind that Israel accepting my taxmoney buys me the right to criticize their pseudo-theocratic state.. so Bibi should really curb his drama when the US calls them out on some of their policies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tedminator View Post
    Abandon? no.

    keep in mind that Israel accepting my taxmoney buys me the right to criticize their pseudo-theocratic state.. so Bibi should really curb his drama when the US calls them out on some of their policies.
    Why should we give money to people we don't like?

    Likewise, shouldn't we DEMAND that Israel remove Bibi from power, or, even allow the "Right of Return" for Palestinians?

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    Nope.

    I like/respect Israel. And they need our help...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rorschach View Post
    Why should we give money to people we don't like?

    Likewise, shouldn't we DEMAND that Israel remove Bibi from power, or, even allow the "Right of Return" for Palestinians?
    Sure, you could demand those if you want to.

    Me personally? nah.. I'm not that demanding of the israelis

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    Israel has become a bully. If any other nation in the world spent their time taking away land from an ethnic people (the Palestinians) and putting "settlements" on them, they would be a pariah. Russia retook Crimea and was soundly criticized for it on the world stage. The Israelis are also putting "settlers" into sensitive areas of Jerusalem where there are sites holy to Islam. It is a shame that the Israeli people have decided that the Palestinians are "lesser" people who can just be pushed around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pragmatic View Post
    Nope.

    I like/respect Israel. And they need our help...
    Agree. There may seem to be practical issues... but The Isreal Haters will hate us as long as we have ANY impact in the area.

    Besides.. politically, I doubt there's many who'd come out for Abandon Isreal..either n the left or right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rorschach View Post
    Many of the West's problems with Islam, stem from our support for the State of Israel.
    They're not going to stop hating us if we don't support Israel. They'll just chalk it up as one more victory on the road to total domination.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rorschach View Post
    Many proclaim that Israel is no different than NAZI Germany. (Personally, I rail at that idea, as it is both wrong and insulting.)
    Which is just plain horsehockey as a matter of fact. But I realize you already know that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rorschach View Post
    ould it be better for America to simply withdraw all, or, at least most, of our support for that state, perhaps going so far as to proclaim them a "Racist" nation?
    Wouldn't change a thing for us - especially as such a proclamation would not be true.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rorschach View Post
    Would the Arabs hate us less?
    Nope. See above.

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    Would the World respect us more?
    No. The issues the rest of the world has with us, whatever they are, do not stem from our support of Israel.

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    Could we claim to be a "more moral" nation?
    More moral than who?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rorschach View Post
    Why should the US care about such a small nation, with no real resources?
    Because it's the right thing to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by watsup View Post
    Israel has become a bully. If any other nation in the world spent their time taking away land from an ethnic people (the Palestinians) and putting "settlements" on them, they would be a pariah. Russia retook Crimea and was soundly criticized for it on the world stage. The Israelis are also putting "settlers" into sensitive areas of Jerusalem where there are sites holy to Islam. It is a shame that the Israeli people have decided that the Palestinians are "lesser" people who can just be pushed around.
    Nonsense. The Isrealis have been under siege since day one by Palestinian terrorists and neighboring Arab nations. They'd LOVE to be able to just IGNORE the Palestinians etc. Most of the local stateas... finally learned that however small....Isreal out fights them all. Hamas...refuses to co-exist. The last real holdout. Hamas and Gaze... obviously can not do what Syria, Iraq, Egypt combined failed to do. They are..however..so hateful and ignorant they can't face the facts.
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    No...

    If anyone truly believes that standing aside and allowing the destruction of Israel would result in the Islamofascists drawing down and suddenly liking USA and the West then you're just fooling yourself.
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