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    Is there a morality without God?

    Apparently these two guys don't think so...



    Of course they're wrong...

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    Brothers from a different mother.
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    In the beginning slaves would kill their masters and steal from others and cause general mayhem as well as commit suicide, so to curtail these things the masters came up with an idea that suited the problem well. A supreme being that would give a eternity in a land of loveliness and joy for the simple act of being a good slave. God what a dumb fucking thing. Just like the two butt brothers.
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    Eternal Mortality, that is also the fate without God.

    If you don't believe in a God,

    and the State decides what is moral that means Hitler was moral. Pal Pot, Mao, Castro all murdered their own citizens in the name of their Religion, the State..
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    Of course you can have morality without God. What you can't have is morality without a society. I'm sure I've posed this in other threads...

    Let's say you're on a deserted island, and the necessities of life aren't a concern. You have no knowledge of God - but you are alone on the island.

    Given this situation, come up with an action that is "good." Or, if you like, devise an action that is "evil." You can't do it. And gods aren't going to help. The only way to make acts of good and evil possible is to drop additional people on the island. Once the population is greater than one, then you have a society, and morality becomes possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    Of course you can have morality without God. What you can't have is morality without a society. I'm sure I've posed this in other threads...

    Let's say you're on a deserted island, and the necessities of life aren't a concern. You have no knowledge of God - but you are alone on the island.

    Given this situation, come up with an action that is "good." Or, if you like, devise an action that is "evil." You can't do it. And gods aren't going to help. The only way to make acts of good and evil possible is to drop additional people on the island. Once the population is greater than one, then you have a society, and morality becomes possible.
    Society defines the common understanding of ethics and morality, yes. Religion does not, as the religious leading books are all written and thought up by humans in the end only as well.

    I do not agree that singular humans can not or would not have a morale, though. Being alone on that island, with plenty of food, they way how you gather that food, how you kill a deer for food, how you treat your living environment, respect the nature around you that provides for you... That already implies for you by your own 1 person society, to have a certain ethics, and morale.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    Of course you can have morality without God. What you can't have is morality without a society. I'm sure I've posed this in other threads...

    Let's say you're on a deserted island, and the necessities of life aren't a concern. You have no knowledge of God - but you are alone on the island.

    Given this situation, come up with an action that is "good." Or, if you like, devise an action that is "evil." You can't do it. And gods aren't going to help. The only way to make acts of good and evil possible is to drop additional people on the island. Once the population is greater than one, then you have a society, and morality becomes possible.
    Okay, alone on the island, you become lonely and depressed and decide to kill yourself. Are you saying that decision has no moral implications? Or perhaps you are an old, sick person who is living on a "virtual island" in our impersonal society. Is it okay to kill yourself?

    But let me use a little imagination. What if you believe you are living in a simulation and you are the only "real" person. Everyone around you is not "real." They are just lines of computer code, as in The Matrix. Since you are not living in a "real" society, you are free to mistreat or even kill those non-persons. Since there is no "real" society, there is no "real" morality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cicero View Post
    Apparently these two guys don't think so...



    Of course they're wrong...

    There is one difference... The Guy on the front left believes that homosexuality, adultery, stealing etc. is a sin, he will tell you so, if you disagree he will dust off his feet and move on.

    The Guy in the right rear of the picture, Thinks that Homosexuality,, Adultery, Stealing etc. is a sin.... He will cut your head off if you disagree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    There is one difference... The Guy on the front left believes that homosexuality, adultery, stealing etc. is a sin, he will tell you so, if you disagree he will dust off his feet and move on.

    The Guy in the right rear of the picture, Thinks that Homosexuality,, Adultery, Stealing etc. is a sin.... He will cut your head off if you disagree.
    When he was alive, ya mean........

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    The Greek Philosophers came up with several systems of ethics and morals without the need of gods in them. Anyone ever heard of the Stoics? The Epicureans? The Romans had several as well.
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