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    Just to play Devil's Advocate (ahem), do you think God is necessarily evil unless all of his creations never get sick or die and never hurt or kill one another?
    Disease that is associated with age, and death is just part of the system as it is "designed". Us killing each other is entirely on us. However, the countless viruses, bacteria, and other organisms which only serve to fatally interrupt the natural process if life? Well, the responsibility for those rest squarely on the designer. If I would be considered evil for such a design, then the same must also be said for God, if God exists.
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    I'm just not sure of what your bar is here for evil, and I don't quite get how a person releasing a virus to kill other people is equivalent to a supreme being who is the author of all things that live and have ever lived creating two things that don't get along. I mean, I don't believe in such a being, but your gotcha seems to have a flaw.
    In what way do you see a difference? Either creating, and releasing such an organism is evil, or it isn't. How is it different because it's "God"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FuzzGod View Post
    Define "evil".
    Nope. Theists have an accepted definition of evil. The only reason you're attempting to plat semantics is because you can already see where the question is going.

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    Welll, if it stops global warming... anything can be justified.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StanStill View Post
    Just to play Devil's Advocate (ahem), do you think God is necessarily evil unless all of his creations never get sick or die and never hurt or kill one another?

    I'm just not sure of what your bar is here for evil, and I don't quite get how a person releasing a virus to kill other people is equivalent to a supreme being who is the author of all things that live and have ever lived creating two things that don't get along. I mean, I don't believe in such a being, but your gotcha seems to have a flaw.
    Consider that nature creates for the best possible end to what it creates.

    If God, with his super powers, cannot do better than nature, --- then he should be rejected out of hand as a failed creator.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    Nope. Theists have an accepted definition of evil. The only reason you're attempting to plat semantics is because you can already see where the question is going.

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    It's kinda hard to answer your question if you refuse to define its parameters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    Consider that nature creates for the best possible end to what it creates.

    If God, with his super powers, cannot do better than nature, --- then he should be rejected out of hand as a failed creator.

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    Perhaps god is nature, with all its triumphs and tragedies.
    A better question would be: Does god know your name?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OlGuy View Post
    Welll, if it stops global warming... anything can be justified.
    Even a nuclear WWIII?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    Disease that is associated with age, and death is just part of the system as it is "designed". Us killing each other is entirely on us. However, the countless viruses, bacteria, and other organisms which only serve to fatally interrupt the natural process if life? Well, the responsibility for those rest squarely on the designer. If I would be considered evil for such a design, then the same must also be said for God, if God exists.
    But what if you invented a small single cell organism that would, given a couple billion years on a planet similar to earth, multiply and evolve into the entire cornucopia of life we have here?

    You'd probably be the most honored of all scientific geniuses, even if we knew that some of the descendants of that organism would end up being diseases that killed off millions of other descendants.

    In what way do you see a difference? Either creating, and releasing such an organism is evil, or it isn't. How is it different because it's "God"?
    Well I kind of disagree with this part too. I don't think it's evil to kill if the killing will prevent a larger more destructive killing later on. If I'm driving along the road and I see someone on the sidewalk pull out a gun and start shooting into a restaurant, it is not evil for me to swerve onto the sidewalk and flatten him. Of course there would be a pretty damned high burden of proof to justify killing millions with a disease, but I don't think killing is necessarily evil. Even the notion of evil is kind of superstitious. Either it's justified or it isn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FuzzGod View Post
    Perhaps god is nature, with all its triumphs and tragedies.
    A better question would be: Does god know your name?
    Thinking that God is more than nature is what has caused most of the wars to date, since the majority have blamed belief of such for quite a while now.

    Those same mainstream religions are responsible for the homophobia and misogyny that still plagues us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    Even a nuclear WWIII?

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    Even worse than homophobia.

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