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Last edited by kmiller1610; 17th December 2016 at 04:41 AM.
My belief (important word) is that people saw and felt evidence of God, and created churches and religions (including mine) to try to explain and understand Him. And to serve Him.
Ie. Man made.
I do not believe that God made my religion and church, so people outside of them are wrong and we're right.
Apparently that's where we differ from Gnostic in this thread. Who seems to think his man made church to understand God is moral, while others are 'immoral, homophobic, misogynist etc"
I am a Christian. Our denomination has clergy of every race, gender, sexuality, age or physical ability. We were at the forefront or ordaining women and homosexual Reverends -decades ahead of the society we live in.
You don't need to join us, but at least dont pretend we don't exist because it ruins the fun narrative of the hateful, mad, red-faced buffoon, TV fundraising southern Baptist.
Last edited by Dr.Knuckles; 18th December 2016 at 10:09 PM.
The crucifixion is a mystery. Whatever it was, catholics believe that the act caused the outpouring of superabundant grace for all humanity.
From the point of view of morality, it demonstrated the highest form of human love -- where an individual freely gives up his own life for the sake of another. Does an act of love towards another give rise to a sin of omission (irresponsibility) on the part of its recipient? Of course not. The act of sacrificing presupposes that the recipient is incapable of saving himself in the first place.
Christ taught love, humility, set an example of righteous rage and self sacrifice, took in unpopular people and dined with them, taught the truth wrapped in mystery and allegory, suggested self sacrifice as a way of life and built a tiny inner circle who were tasked with carrying out the great commission after his death.
Secondly, Jesus did not stay dead so it cannot be said that he gave up his life for us.
You agree with the immorality of substitutionary atonement yet are saying that Jesus would use that immoral system.
That would make Jesus immoral.