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    Quote Originally Posted by April15 View Post
    I believe the concept is that you do not have to hate him but to forgive him for being a sinner. Then take his ass to court and get everything he ever owned.
    Even his sons life..

    Haha..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    Let me phrase it more simply for you.

    Having another innocent person suffer for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral.

    Do you agree?

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    I do agree, but I also believe that God has created a real and random universe, so the next stage in your logic puzzle is blunted by that environment. I don't think that God has to conform to your logic. The sins mankind commits are based on intentions. You don't comprehend a God that can both know the future and restrict acting on it so that people can live in a real universe. Any God who would create a real universe (as opposed to a fixed, manufactured, pain free, danger free incubator/bubble/matrix) also wants us to own our actions and wants us to see and understand intention and goodness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kmiller1610 View Post
    All of which is not in the OP. If you think it's all hokum, why are you posting?
    I don't think it's hokum. I'm butt-in-pew every Sunday. I just....

    My belief (important word) is that people saw and felt evidence of God, and created churches and religions (including mine) to try to explain and understand Him. And to serve Him.

    Ie. Man made.

    I do not believe that God made my religion and church, so people outside of them are wrong and we're right.

    Apparently that's where we differ from Gnostic in this thread. Who seems to think his man made church to understand God is moral, while others are 'immoral, homophobic, misogynist etc"

    I am a Christian. Our denomination has clergy of every race, gender, sexuality, age or physical ability. We were at the forefront or ordaining women and homosexual Reverends -decades ahead of the society we live in.

    You don't need to join us, but at least dont pretend we don't exist because it ruins the fun narrative of the hateful, mad, red-faced buffoon, TV fundraising southern Baptist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaryAnne View Post
    Just coming from Church where the Sermon was about PEACE! I could not help thinking, What if we just decided we are a peaceful nation? Walked away from all the wars we are waging and quit meddling in other countries?

    Do not give me the bit about because being strong. We are strong, but we are weakening our nation by fighting sect wars.

    We could better prove our strength by refusing to kill. By walking away we would be saying," No more," to the other countries.it could not be worse.
    That is hardly following the teachings of Jesus who preached that he had come to bring war and not peace.

    If a Christian nation followed Jesus, they too would bring war and not peace. Right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bourne View Post
    I am a practicing Catholic and a Christian. I support His Holiness, The Pope, and the Catholic Doctrine.
    Would that include substitutionary atonement and the punishing of the innocent instead of the guilty?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaryAnne View Post
    That is the point,Knight. We do not have to invade any country. The killings are the very reason we have so many attacks here.

    Wars are about nothing but power for the few.
    I agree.

    Can it be said that your God's genocide of mankind was to give power to the few of Noah's clan while destroying the many?

    Do you agree that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    Can I have your thoughts on these?

    As Ingersoll said; 'no man would be fit for heaven who would consent that an innocent person should suffer for his sin.'

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKNu...s_digest-vrecs


    Having another innocent person suffer for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral.

    Do you agree?

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    I agree. But that was not the point of the crucifixion -- if that is what you are implying.

    The crucifixion is a mystery. Whatever it was, catholics believe that the act caused the outpouring of superabundant grace for all humanity.

    From the point of view of morality, it demonstrated the highest form of human love -- where an individual freely gives up his own life for the sake of another. Does an act of love towards another give rise to a sin of omission (irresponsibility) on the part of its recipient? Of course not. The act of sacrificing presupposes that the recipient is incapable of saving himself in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KnotaFrayed View Post
    What are the values/virtues you see as being a follower and believer of Christ's teachings?












    Does your copy of the Bible include Matthew, Chapter V?













    And how do you demonstrate daily, that you follow Christ's teachings and what values, virtues do you express/display towards others that would demonstrate you believe and follow the teachings of Christ.










    How would you like others to treat you in relation to the values you would say align with Christ;s teachings?







    How often to you think about how you treat others, especially relative to how you would like others to treat you?







    How do you treat others (being honest and not lying to yourself) in ways that do or do not align with your values and Christ's teachings?







    If one were to review the bulk of your postings here on this site, what about them would indicate that you not just claim to believe in Christ and his teachings, but learned them and follow them (for example, doing unto others as you would have them do unto you)






    If your postings were made by someone else, what would they indicate to you? That the poster and their postings were or were not, in line with the values and teachings of Christ?
    There is an opportunity for redemption for anyone.

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    Christ taught love, humility, set an example of righteous rage and self sacrifice, took in unpopular people and dined with them, taught the truth wrapped in mystery and allegory, suggested self sacrifice as a way of life and built a tiny inner circle who were tasked with carrying out the great commission after his death.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kingrat View Post
    I agree. But that was not the point of the crucifixion -- if that is what you are implying.

    The crucifixion is a mystery. Whatever it was, catholics believe that the act caused the outpouring of superabundant grace for all humanity.
    They believe that it was a salvific act thanks to that grace.

    And it was not for all humanity but only for those who turned to Jesus and his God.

    From the point of view of morality, it demonstrated the highest form of human love -- where an individual freely gives up his own life for the sake of another. Does an act of love towards another give rise to a sin of omission (irresponsibility) on the part of its recipient? Of course not. The act of sacrificing presupposes that the recipient is incapable of saving himself in the first place.
    Firstly. Jesus did not freely give his life as he tried to get out of it on Calvary as well as the fact that he often said that he was doing his fathers will and not his own.

    Secondly, Jesus did not stay dead so it cannot be said that he gave up his life for us.

    You agree with the immorality of substitutionary atonement yet are saying that Jesus would use that immoral system.

    That would make Jesus immoral.

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