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    Quote Originally Posted by bmanmcfly View Post
    While I generally agree with you here, that there are parts of the bible that are people describing something they didn't fully understand, some analogy, some literal, some metaphors, etc...

    The trouble is, when you effectively have to pick and choose which is which as you read, then it gets really tricky to try and sell that to someone else when it seems arbitrary.
    Yes, I agree.

    However, the parts that are important, like Salvation, there is no doubt about but the problem is that people get caught up in the other parts of the Bible that are there for context, or examples, or historical events. I have seen pastors turn one little obscure verse into an entire sermon which is a reason I have a problem finding a Church and don't attend them anymore although I do like Bible studies where we can all bring up different points of views.
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    Abandon the search for God and the creation and other matters of a similar sort. Look for him by taking yourself as the starting point. Learn who it is within you who makes everything his own and says, "My God, my mind, my thought, my soul, my body." Learn the sources of sorrow:, joy, love, hate . . . If you carefully investigate these matters you will find him in yourself.
    I don't know whether you intended to post this to me or to the OP, it's to me on my threaded view. Good advice. I have found God.........and he is within me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    There are some literal parts of the Bible....
    What parts are NOT literally true?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jen View Post
    If you create something and it works as it was designed to work, the "recipe" must be considered "truth" for that result.
    If you, the creator, decide at some point that you do not like the result, you are able to change the parameters in order to get a different result. That changed parameter becomes "truth" for the altered results you desired.

    As a creator, you have cart blanche for deciding what is truth. But only you have that ability to change truth.
    So God could have....sometime in the past 2000 years......changed doctrine or dogma as stated in the Bible?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GordonGecko View Post
    So God could have....sometime in the past 2000 years......changed doctrine or dogma as stated in the Bible?
    I don't think the bible has changed, people's interpretations I'd a different question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmanmcfly View Post
    I don't think the bible has changed, people's interpretations I'd a different question.
    Wasn't what I said...

    in response to Jen's comment, I asked if GOD could change the dogma and doctrine in the Bible.

    You agree or disagree with that idea?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GordonGecko View Post
    Wasn't what I said...

    in response to Jen's comment, I asked if GOD could change the dogma and doctrine in the Bible.

    You agree or disagree with that idea?
    And I understand the logical trap you are trying to setup... and frankly it is somewhat irrelevant. Unless god itself wrote the bible...

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    Quote Originally Posted by GordonGecko View Post
    What parts are NOT literally true?
    Let me try to simple it down for you.

    Suppose your friend just bought a sports car and tells you, "I drove my sports car down the road at 90 miles per hour." Would you take his statement literally? Unless you believe he is a liar, the correct way to interpret his remark is to conclude he drove at 90 miles per hour. It is difficult, if not impossible, to arrive at any other meaning.

    On the other hand, let’s suppose he says, "I was flying down the road!" Unless you believe his car actually left the ground and became aloft like an airplane, you do not take him literally. You do understand what he is saying, though. You know your friend was driving fast! He is telling you this by "speaking figuratively," not literally.

    People who study language know that humans communicate verbally through words in more than one way. Sometimes they make literal statements, which should be taken literally, and sometimes they use "figurative language," which should be taken "figuratively." Dictionaries tell us that figurative language is language used in a non-literal way in order to add emphasis.


    https://www.gci.org/bible/literally

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmanmcfly View Post
    And I understand the logical trap you are trying to setup... and frankly it is somewhat irrelevant. Unless god itself wrote the bible...
    How is it a "trap" exactly???

    BTW, THAT is what Literalists claim that God "divinely inspired" the Bible...ergo what was written is absolutely true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Let me try to simple it down for you.
    I'll make it simple for you...

    Name 10 events in the Bible that were NOT literally true? Or five?

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