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    Quote Originally Posted by GordonGecko View Post
    How is it a "trap" exactly???

    BTW, THAT is what Literalists claim that God "divinely inspired" the Bible...ergo what was written is absolutely true.
    It's like one of those "can God make a weight so heavy that even God could not move it" things. No matter the answer, it serves as a refutation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmanmcfly View Post
    It's like one of those "can God make a weight so heavy that even God could not move it" things. No matter the answer, it serves as a refutation.
    That's easily answered with the Omnipotence paradox.

    God can create a command that says he will create a rock he can't lift but then he can give another command that allows him to lift it.

    So God basically controls the rules of the game, therefore there is no paradox.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    That's easily answered with the Omnipotence paradox.

    God can create a command that says he will create a rock he can't lift but then he can give another command that allows him to lift it.

    So God basically controls the rules of the game, therefore there is no paradox.
    The bigger issue I have is what would be the motivation?

    I was raised Catholic, but I'm not religious anymore, in the sense that I don't trust any of the churches or groups that use religious teachings for their own benefits. That said, I've had a large number of experiences that give me no doubt that there's more to it all than just the physical reality...

    I mean, situations of watching karma play out, situations getting desperate to being a day away from homelessness when I got a phone call that turned, and a few that I keep to myself because nobody would believe it if I said it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmanmcfly View Post
    The bigger issue I have is what would be the motivation?

    I was raised Catholic, but I'm not religious anymore, in the sense that I don't trust any of the churches or groups that use religious teachings for their own benefits. That said, I've had a large number of experiences that give me no doubt that there's more to it all than just the physical reality...

    I mean, situations of watching karma play out, situations getting desperate to being a day away from homelessness when I got a phone call that turned, and a few that I keep to myself because nobody would believe it if I said it...
    I was in the same position, I accepted Christ then started asking all these questions which couldn't be answered and came to the conclusion that it wasn't true and believe me, I could out debate any Christian out there.

    However God brought me back through ways I won't go into, he never gave up on me.

    As to your other point you are also correct.

    This is a pointless question meant to trap people because it's not something God would ever do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bmanmcfly View Post
    It's like one of those "can God make a weight so heavy that even God could not move it" things. No matter the answer, it serves as a refutation.
    No, it isn't. That is an exercise in discussing omnipotence. Which is about the concept of God.


    MY topic is directed at Literalists (who are human beings) and the bind they put themselves in if they ascribe "perfection" to a BOOK, written by Man. If the Bible is "perfect"?....God cannot alter it....thus the Bible would be more powerful than God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    This is a pointless question meant to trap people because it's not something God would ever do.
    Being dishonest isn't something God would ever do, too, Spooky.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GordonGecko View Post
    Being dishonest isn't something God would ever do, too, Spooky.
    Last I checked I wasn't God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Last I checked I wasn't God.
    Nor even trying to attempt to be like him.


    Let me guess, you think "I'm saved...so if I lie or are dishonest or whatever, it's okay...I'll just repent in my prayers before bed-time and everything is cool. And tell God 'I'll try to do better tomorrow'...even if I don't"?

    "Once saved, always saved" Spooky.....lets you off the hook for EVERYTHING, doesn't it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GordonGecko View Post
    Nor even trying to attempt to be like him.


    Let me guess, you think "I'm saved...so if I lie or are dishonest or whatever, it's okay...I'll just repent in my prayers before bed-time and everything is cool. And tell God 'I'll try to do better tomorrow'...even if I don't"?

    "Once saved, always saved" Spooky.....lets you off the hook for EVERYTHING, doesn't it?
    Nope, being saved is not a get out of jail free card.

    God knows what's in your heart and if you are sincere or not.

    You can ask for forgiveness but if you are planning on doing the same stuff the next day then God has already walked away from you so don't even bother.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    You can ask for forgiveness but if you are planning on doing the same stuff the next day then God has already walked away from you so don't even bother.
    So how do you come here and violate things like Paul's Epistle to Titus 3:2


    Day after day after day.....and plan on "doing the same stuff the next day".....and still call yourself a "Christian"?

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