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    Quote Originally Posted by Babba View Post
    Actually, he's a perfect character in a novel. He goes from being one type of character to another. That's a classic plot.
    Homicidal maniac as director of an orphanage torturing and slaughtering the children....

    becomes benevolent care-giver of the same orphanage, when his "son" shows up and convinces Dad that killing children is bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    I believe it is just over 40 authors over about 1600 years if I am not mistaken.

    An interesting note, many of the books were written by people who had no previous knowledge of books written before theirs yet they tie in almost seamlessly to the other ones. Names, dates, events so to do that with no knowledge of what happened before......well some say only a divine being could have pulled that off.

    But you are correct that they are more a collection of short stories and most are there for context, not a literal translation so I am not sure there is a narrative to it other than a thousand different paths leading to one main conclusion. I am sure there is a word for that but since I am not a writer I don't know what it is.
    "Anthology" might work....


    but it's not "ONE main conclusion". The same "God" the Hebrew Chroniclers wrote of, has a different personality than the one the Apostles wrote of.

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    "Anthology" might work....
    How is the validity of compositions different between those compositions which are anthologies by agreement versus those compositions which are perceived to be direct flawless dictation from a singular deity , albeit via a conjectural angel and some idolized author ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GordonGecko View Post
    but it's not "ONE main conclusion". The same "God" the Hebrew Chroniclers wrote of, has a different personality than the one the Apostles wrote of.
    It seems that romanticism attempted to distinguish between two conditions : one is the conjectural concerns of a purported deity which is specifically focused on favoring some particular peoples while binding them with a land and a religious polity ; and , two is the conjectural concerns of a purported deity which is generally concerned with peoples not bound with a land and a religious policy .

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_...Judaism#HaShem
    It is common Jewish practice to restrict the use of the names of God to a liturgical context. In casual conversation some Jews, even when not speaking Hebrew, will call God HaShem (השם‎), which is Hebrew for "the Name" (cf. Leviticus 24:11 and Deuteronomy 28:58). Likewise, when quoting from the Tanakh or prayers, some pious Jews will replace Adonai with HaShem. For example, when making audio recordings of prayer services, HaShem[65] will generally be substituted for Adonai.

    A popular expression containing this phrase is Baruch HaShem, meaning "Thank God" (literally, "Blessed be God").[66]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shem
    Shem (/ʃɛm/; Hebrew: שֵׁם, Modern Shem, Tiberian Šēm; Greek: Σήμ Sēm; Ge'ez: ሴም, Sēm; "renown; prosperity; name"; Arabic: سام Sām) was one of the sons of Noah in the Hebrew Bible as well as in Islamic literature.

    The children of Shem were Elam, Asshur, Arphaxad, Lud and Aram, in addition to daughters. Abraham, the patriarch of the Hebrews and Arabs, was one of the descendants of Arphaxad.

    According to some Jewish traditions (e.g., B. Talmud Nedarim 32b; Genesis Rabbah 46:7; Genesis Rabbah 56:10; Leviticus Rabbah 25:6; Numbers Rabbah 4:8.), Shem is believed to have been Melchizedek, King of Salem whom Abraham is recorded to have met after the battle of the four kings.

    The 1st-century historian Flavius Josephus, among many others, recounted the tradition that these five sons were the progenitors of the nations of Elam, Assyria, Chaldea, Lydia, and Levantine, respectively.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Monk-Eye View Post
    It seems that romanticism attempted to distinguish between two conditions : one is the conjectural concerns of a purported deity which is specifically focused on favoring some particular peoples while binding them with a land and a religious polity ; and , two is the conjectural concerns of a purported deity which is generally concerned with peoples not bound with a land and a religious policy .
    But that would point to the "character" of "God" being mutable, changing....yet supposedly he is described as "eternal", "immutable" and "un-changing."

    A "God" that moves from being a vengeful tyrant who favors one small religious/ethnic tribe....to an all-inclusive, forgiviing benefactor....shows a personality change which contradicts an indicated "characteristic of Godhood"...

    that being NOT changing...."Same now, as in the past, the future, and forever".

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    Well, first off, from a "Literary" stand-point, I find the Holy Bible NOTHING like Lord of the Rings. (But, there are some philosophical similarities to the DUNE series)

    As for "GOD," I have always felt He is a bit bigger than the "story." (That's just me, as I believe in Him)

    That said, in the Bible, He comes off somewhat like a....God????

    You know, He does some things people don't like, then, He does some things people like. He allows bad things to happen, and, He allows good things to happen.

    Some people try to figure Him out, on His terms, while others try to figure Him out on their terms. Some come to reject Him. Some come to reject Him, then move on to holding a deep grudge against others who try to seek Him out.

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    His character is exactly the same as Kaiser Sose.

    In the end you realize that the narrator was actually talking about himself, and was just using whatever he could think of to persuade the person in front of them at that particular moment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rorschach View Post
    You know, He does some things people don't like....
    Like what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Knuckles View Post
    His character is exactly the same as Kaiser Sose.

    In the end you realize that the narrator was actually talking about himself, and was just using whatever he could think of to persuade the person in front of them at that particular moment.
    Or it's like "Fight Club"....and you figure out that Brad Pitt's character is Edward Norton too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GordonGecko View Post
    Like what?
    Like allowing the Great Flood.

    Like turning Lot's wife into salt.

    Like allowing the Babylonians take the Jewish people into exile.

    Like allowing humankind to nail His Son to a tree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rorschach View Post
    Like allowing the Great Flood.

    Like turning Lot's wife into salt.

    Like allowing the Babylonians take the Jewish people into exile.

    Like allowing humankind to nail His Son to a tree.
    So people didn't like that God...

    1. committed genocide?

    2. committed individual murders?

    3. allowed slavery?

    4. allowed the torture and murder of his Son? (In fact, PLANNED it...right?)



    Who wouldn't like a guy who did that????

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